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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 12 January 2008 at 6:13pm

As'Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

Welcome to our boards of discussions sister.

We are rewarded even when we utter prayers in Arabic, without knowing its meaning. At the same time, we shud try to learn and understand what we utter. Its tough, but insha-Allah, when we try to learn it, we experience Allah's help. Try it slowly sister. We are to learn and understand atleast to the extent of those chapters, which we recite in salah. As u said, we get a feeling of show-off, thats true, so we need to hasten to learn them and understand.

I would like to share a part of a speech, wherein the speaker was letting us about importance of learning arabic. He said that, once an Arab visited a non-Arab country. He joined a congregation offering salah. When the prayers were over, Arabs smile caught attention. The imam of the mosque, looked at him  bewildered. He cud not resist and asked arab, as why he was smiling that much. Arab answered, "You did throw Yusuf AS, in the well but did not take him out"

Perhaps Imam sahab recited only till those verses  wherein Yusuf AS was thrown in hell. This was an example wherein we utter what we know not. But it does n't mean we stop reciting in Arabic, We are to hasten knowing the meaning of what we utter, as salah is a communication between a believer and Allah swt.



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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote Salams_wife Replybullet Posted: 12 January 2008 at 9:33pm

I had been studying arabic for a couple years before I converted to Islam.  I still was not fluent (not perfect now either), but  I at least had a strong foundation.  It was a matter of learning a few extra words that I didn't get in my studies.  So I started my prayers from the beginning entirely in arabic, except when I do dua because it would take too much time and concentration to try to get my point accross in arabic.  As a habit and to help my mind not stray during my prayers, I do concentrate on the meaning while I say them, so in a way I translate to english as I speak each word.

Catholics prayed and held their sermons in latin for centuries.  Many people had no idea what the priests were even saying and were unable to read the bible because it wasn't translated from latin until more recently.  It is not a new concept for a religion to use a universal language.  At least Arabic was the original language of the Quran.  There is also a wide variety of material out there that contains all the translation a non arabic speaking muslim might need.



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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:15am

As'Salamu ALaikum,

JazakiAllahu Khair, sister for sharing your views over this subject.I actually wanted you to thank you for your post that u posted at an other thread regarding Arabic.I got a rough idea of this subject, which made me enthusiastic to learn and understand this language. I cud not comment it there, as it would become an off-topic. May Allah swt reward sis Aminah too. Very soon am to join these classes - Insha-Allah.

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Quote Aminah07 Replybullet Posted: 16 January 2008 at 5:37pm

ASA,

I learned like many of the other sisters what the meaning was when I first converted. I got a book from the masjid that had the transliteration in English as well as the meaning...LOL...the book was titled something like "First book of Salat for Young Boys" well I took no offenseand it helped.

A year later when I married my husband he is from Egypt he continued to answer all of my bazillion and one questions we didn't have internet back than in 88' or at least we didn't.

I heard a speaker at an ISNA(Islamic Society of Northern America) convention say one time in a lecture that even if you don't understand Arabic when you listen to the Quran' being recited your heart knows every word. His name is Ahmed Sakr and in the muslim community in America is fairly well known he also for a time was the Imam at my original masjid in S.Calif....Now when I listen to Quran' I can understand about 85% of it I like to think my heart translates the rest.

A good place to look for newbies is at http://islam.com I haven't used it for a while but they used to have a video of how to perform Salat step by step with English transliteration in the video you can download it and view it as often as needed to learn Salat. 

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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2008 at 9:23am

Originally posted by Anatolian

A question to you who have converted to Islam or were born of it yet don't
speak Arabic.

Does it mean anything to you when you pray in Arabic yet don't know what
you are saying? I've always been curious about this.

Hi, a very good question. I would also use this question to bring out another point that will help Chrisitians in particular to understand that there is a differance between prayer and Salath in Islam . Prayer, can be offered any time and I guess any where in your own language and in your own words, in your heart or aloud. While Salath is the prescribed and structured form of worship that does include prayers. It is a ritual that has fixed timing and fixed steps to be followed, in the same manner as the the Prophet has taught us, and is not altered or modified by an individual. It has pre-requisits, clean cloths, abulution, clear mind and surrounding without distractions etc. Salath include recitations in Arabic from the Quran, thus Muslims memorize them in Arabic. For people like myself, who are not Arabs it is a bit challange to read and memorize chapters/suras of the Quran in Arabic and to know their meanings. But I guess that means more reward from God.

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:43pm

 

 It is necessary to perform the salaat in Arabic language. And it is necessary to learn the meanings of the Arabic words. But during the Salaat, it is permissible to pray (Dua'a) to Allah in one's own language as well as in Arabic whenever necessary.

 It is not proper to recite the verses of the Quran during prosteration or during bowing posture. But supplication (Dua'a) can be made in ones own language after saying the actual required words of Rukuh and sujood.

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