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bullet Posted: 04 December 2007 at 6:14am

The colonization of much of the world by Europeans is probably one of the most destructive actions that isstill affecting those lands in a negative way today.

I have yet to see a benefit to the whole system for the people of those lands.  

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bullet Posted: 04 December 2007 at 6:33am
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I don't quite agree with whisper about the British bashing. The British occupied India. What about Muslims?? What did they do?? Did they also not do the same thing?? I feel that it is a political matter and no one can be blamed for doing what they did.

 We should look to the good things of the British too. Indians were the subjects of the Mughals before the British arrived. When the British came, the Indians became the subjects of the British.

The above was my reply only to whisper (and a reply to candid). Now I take up the post from sign*Reader with my remarks in Pink. That is necessary because I do not want to reply to the full post.

Let me add my two cents on bro Sasha's behalf!
Thanks for the 2 cents.

Your comments are like comparing apples with oranges! It may be true.

The Mughals from emperors Akbar on were natural  Indians- born of Indian women on Indian soil. India was their homeland. They never made their capital in Ferghana Valley or Kabul.

As migration of people is a natural phenomena, the Dravidian people of course may have a right to complain being the original Indians that Aryans subjugated God knows when and started the awful tradition!

Whereas you couldn't say the directors of East India Company or the viceroys of queens or kings of Briton were natural born Indians! Their job was to bleed India as much as possible and ASAP.  True.

Their home was London or any shires some where there. True

You could not find anything common between these two situations.

Whereas the emperor Akbar was so lax in his religion that the Hindus had more sway in his court than the Muslims and ended up creating his own religion to please the Hindus! That may not have any value. I may tell you that the British never used up the Indian ladies...

Almost all of the Mughals violated the Islamic prohibition of marrying a polytheist woman. Do you see the liberality of their living amongst Indians? Are you now worrting for liberality??
Do you know the Mughals shipped any of the land revenues, the jewels, gold and diamonds and the like to Kabul or Ferghana Valley?

Even though they did not do that but they did fill up their own coffers..

Now if you can't see the difference between the citizen of a independent nation vs an indentured slave in a colony I can't help you there! What is independence?? with weakness?? What use??

  The Indians became exactly that a number in the East India plantations just like American Southern states just for board and lodging  and harsh punishment for any infraction to boot! Not true. Absolutely false. Mor Proof later... about your misunderstanding.

Probably you might like  to visit  some of the old plantation sites and see the slaves living conditions and to be chained at night like the animals I do not see any Indians being chained any where in India by the British. Are you not now going out of your limits?? You have used the word slave for the Indians wrongly. I feel that you do not understand the meaning of the word slave.  I will explain... Please try to be reasonable.

I have seen those places and believe you me it wasn't a pretty site at all. They could be a little lenient in the Indian plantations but not much! You cannot compare. Try to remember the POW's in Japan during WWII. That may give some example of your black people working in the States. But not so in India.

I had a colleague long time ago whose dad was a  plantation foreman in British Indian days and the stories of sexual abuse of the women he used to tell was mind boggling and disgusting.

 May have happened. But there is no widespread news of such things. Don't trust your friend's words. And no need to take me to any plantation because I agree with you on that point about black people in USA. So there is no need. But such bad things are not known about the British Raaj in India.

BTW what is your location I mean country so I might locate some close by for you to look if possible!
Thanks for asking. May I ask you whether you have heard the word "Subject" or you have only heard the word "Slave"?? You know that slaves do not have any property. They even do not have their own name. They do not have any time for themselves. But such was not the case with the Indian subjects of the British empire. Would you kindly correspond??

I am not in favor of the British rule of the sub-continent. But it is fact of history and it was the natural consequence of the inherent weakness of the Indian Rulers (Muhammad Shah Rangeela etc). You also must have heard about the survival of the fittest. I do not find any fault with the British during their rule of India. They even gave full liberty to all faiths in the country to preach and practice freely.

 It seems to have been a part of the divine plan of Allah about the British reaching as far as Kabul in those days.  I may write more if necessary. Now, it is you turn please.



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But such bad things are not known about the British Raaj in India.

Sir, just stop your history carriage just for less than a moment so that I can at least fix it's punctures. Such things are "Not Known" or you are not "allowed to Know" or is it just that you care not to know?

Just answer us these and I will take time out, despite being exceptionally busy, in matters of critical importance at this moment.

And, please, could you advise, educate or enlighten us on Muhammad Shah Rangeela or about his stand against the sly British enemy?

Before we go any further on this or any other topic, just let me know one simple thing. Have you ever heard of a thing spelt ess pee eye en? And, that too if it's a Brit SPIN?

Ever known something called CHARACTER ASSASINATION? And, that too of the sly Brits?

British reaching as far as Kabul in those days. What a divine plan? And, may I beg you not to blame Allah for any such blatant human greed.

How many days did your great Brits stay in Kabul? Kindly, count and inform us, I am waiting for this info now that you have entered my territory.

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bullet Posted: 04 December 2007 at 2:06pm

Let me add my two cents on bro Sasha's behalf!
Two cents, brother? At least a good 2.5 billion worth of a post. Paa jee zindabaad

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bullet Posted: 04 December 2007 at 7:54pm

 instead of always whinning "wny don't they say something good about us?"

Brother, I had the compulsion to repeat myself about what I mentioned earlier, but instead Iwill not say anything.

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bullet Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:20pm

My brother, I am exceptionally lucky, I have been granted the time and the energy, plus absolute lack of any fear, of anyone other than the One and the Only. It is my premier duty, as a civilised man, not merely as a muslim, to stand firmly against all invasions and occupations. Period.

And, as a Muslim it's our premier responsibility to rise above natinalities and just concern ourself with HUQOOQ EL IBAAD - basic human rights. And, when we haven't done that we must jsut stop calling ourselves Muslims

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bullet Posted: 05 December 2007 at 2:04am

 

 British did not remain in Kabul for long. But the king of the Afghans was paying tribute / money to the British for his country safety. That was as good as reaching Kabul. Let us leave Kabul out and come to the subjects and slaves please.

Instead of asking me any spellings, will you kindly explain some differences in being a British subject and being a British slave. What would you honestly call the people of India under the British rule?? Slaves or Subjects?? That was my important point. But you did not discuss that.

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But the king of the Afghans was paying tribute / money to the British for his country safety.

Sir, before you set about penning down an entirely new Afghan history, could you kindly grant me the reference to this assertion?

Who would pay any tribute to someone after wiping out their entire troops? The Afghans ahd escorted Col. Dr Bryden all the way to Rawalpindi Cantonement, with a special message scribbled on his back. That message wasn't about paying any tributes.

will you kindly explain some differences in being a British subject and being a British slave

My most respected Brother, I have never been either for generations so how would I know the difference? You are free to choose any lable of your desire. Who am I to object?

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