Diagoras you said:

I make no claim that God does not exist

If you call yourself an atheist you are making a claim in of itself.

 just as I make no claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. I just don't consider hypothesis true before evidence has been presented for them.

How do you deny something before the claim is stated? Unless you have preconceived notions you cannot deny something before it is stated or unless I may be mistaken here. Also what hypothesis are you referring ? Perhaps I was confused.

Until I see good evidence for the God Hypothesis

It appears that you are coming here asking for proof when nobody has even made a claim to you in dialogue. Any postulation of any kind one must prove themselves. Now you made the indication of comparing the belief in God to that of phrenology. You didn't clarify how those two correlate and I'm surprise Herjihad didn't diassociate the two in detail in her previous post. In dialogue I've made no such claim that "God exist" I've simply responded to your inquiry in this post. You are the one that asked the question in the beginning (See your first post) so you provide evidence that God does not exist. Simply stating "I compare God to that of the Sphegetti monster and Phrenology" is not a good argument. Nor can you come to a website asking for proof when you have not presented none yourself.

If you start a thread with a weak hypothesis [in the form of a question] you must be prepare to defend it and so far the hypothesis is quite weak. I'd like for you to solidify your claim before I indulge myself.

Just to clarify [because I am a philosopher] an agnostic-atheist is a contradiction in terminology. You are either or and not both in between. You say that you are a "weak atheist" I'd like for you in addition to your claim [on why you disbelieve in God] define that clearly.

Lastly, you said:

I don't really understand what you are saying about subjective belief, are you saying that there is no such thing as objective reality?

I'm not saying there is no objective reality. I'm saying no statement claimed by anyone is objective. If I say:

"There is One God"

That is a subjective statement. Any personal claim can be manipulated based on the perception of the one postulating the claim. In addition, claims made personally are not universal, therefore, any claim made is therefore in context subjective in its own right and can be disproven. I am even fishy on associating attributes with God because I hold God for the most part, to be incomprehensible in any fashion but even saying that is also subjective and subject to change over time by me. Let me make it clear that even claims that are subjective does not necessitate them being invalid, it just means that they are not outside the influence of human perception.

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Here's the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_atheist

An atheist-agnostic acknowledges the possibility of a God's existence, but does not believe in one. Everyone is inherently atheist-agnostic to all claims.

I used phrenology to show that I have the same opinion towards the God Hypothesis (ie. a god exists) that I do towards phrenology, it might be true, but I see no evidence for it.

You probably hold the same view towards many things. I am pretty sure that you would describe yourself as a a-leprechaunist. Sure, leprechauns could exist, but you have seen no evidence for it and thus do not believe in them. Same with me and any postulated deity.

Burden of Proof may help clear this up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_oth er_uses

I quote from the article, "Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven (see negative proof)."

Replace God with X and that is my point.

On the subjectivity point, if I go "nothing travels faster than the speed of light" I am making an objective claim, based on observation of the empirical universe and confirmation of that observation.

Also, if none can make a subjective claim then morality as we know it is meaningless. All "do not murder" is is a claim.

Peace,

Upon reflection I consider that your topic is incorrectly posted in the Interfatih section, as you have no faith.  Are you allowed to post in general?  That would be more appropriate.

Also to your topic heading:  Ask an atheist.  Isn't it correct that this implies that you have only presented yourself to be questioned, but have little interest in asking Muslims why we have faith in Allah and why we believe what we do?  For that is the true purpose of this section.  Or for a compartive analysis of faiths, and atheism is not a faith, it is lack of one.

Honestly, it is foolish on many levels to equate belief in the All-Powerful, Loving, Creator to belief in spaghetti monsters.  It's disrespectful, rude, and completely arrogant and unneccessary.

When I look at the beauty and Glory of this world, I see the presence of Allah.  Now, obviously, you don't.  You see a mix of chemicals and weather patterns.  I understand that.  What we call spiritual, you call call superstitious.

Really either you have faith that our Loving Lord created this world or not.  There is not and will not be evidence as you have asked for someone to present to you.  For the evidence is there for those of us who see it, and for those who don't, it is a figment of our imagination.

And frankly, Scarlett, I don't give . .  Allah, The Evolver, opens the hearts of those whom Allah wishes.  Maybe you could just learn what we believe, how we are all different yet we have a common bond of faith.

Peace

Upon reflection I consider that your topic is incorrectly posted in the Interfatih section, as you have no faith.  Are you allowed to post in general?  That would be more appropriate.

It is for Interfaith dialogue, where Muslims discuss with non-Muslims.
(Emphasis mine). However, if you feel that this topic belongs in general feel free to move it there.

Also to your topic heading:  Ask an atheist.  Isn't it correct that this implies that you have only presented yourself to be questioned, but have little interest in asking Muslims why we have faith in Allah and why we believe what we do?  For that is the true purpose of this section.  Or for a compartive analysis of faiths, and atheism is not a faith, it is lack of one.

I believe this section is for non-Muslim/Muslim discussion, and why my lack of faith should prevent my posting I fail to understand.

Honestly, it is foolish on many levels to equate belief in the All-Powerful, Loving, Creator to belief in spaghetti monsters.  It's disrespectful, rude, and completely arrogant and unneccessary.

It is a common answer to the claim that atheist must prove the non-existence of a deity. See: Flying Spaghetti Monster, Russel's Teapot.

And frankly, Scarlett, I don't give . .  Allah, The Evolver, opens the hearts of those whom Allah wishes.  Maybe you could just learn what we believe, how we are all different yet we have a common bond of faith.

I was PMed by a member curious about my atheism and I created a topic for those curious about it. I fail to see the harm in this.