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Posted: 09 January 2008 at 1:07am

Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by nu001

We all know the histories of killing muslims and jews by the christians in all over europe.

Has europe proclaimed to be christian?

you in the west have started being civilized to allow the muslims practice religion in merely a century back.

Are we talking about christians or the west here?

"you in the west" who do you mean by that statement, christians? or people in general which by the way will include all different religions, not just christians.

Has anyone ever claimed ever to be a terrorist? Does any criminal claims to be one? So what does matter is the actions.

What is europes religious identity? Secularism does not kill religious identity like socialism. And please stop carrying dual identity for convenience. When it's needed to be cristian you be in a minute and when it is inconvenient to face truth then use the other. But we all know what europe is !! don't we? I am not sure if anyone practices christianity there, but I judge europe from it's policies and actions beyond their borders.

I didn't know if other religions are able to dictate policies in the west. I have explained the religious issue with western government in one of my previous posts.

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Posted: 09 January 2008 at 3:44am

Angel

again i cant believe you are trying to justify that the USA is not a Christian country.

iv shown you the facts above and you still cant accept the truth.

answer me this if a Christian American lives in Saudi Arabia dose he become a Saudi and dose his religion just vanishes.

also if i identify myself as a whale dose that make me one.

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Posted: 09 January 2008 at 3:57am

Originally posted by Sign*Reader

Originally posted by Angel

As for being classed as Christian terrorist it cannot simply because countries are not christian nor the west cannot be called that either, despite leaders being christian & majority of citizens may be christian.

And the highest medals given by these governments to their soldiers are likes of Victoria Crosses, Distinguished service Crosses
for Army, Air Force , Navy and Marines, Angel why would any Jew or Muslim would like to carry that over his heart

and why a non christen establishment would go for the crosses?

Crosses were around for sometime before Christianity.

Oh pleeeease Angel let go of PC!

let go of the pc, well what about you you're getting down to the nitty gritty about crosses

Thank you and to the other person who also mentioned about Barack. just couldn't remember at the time.

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Posted: 09 January 2008 at 4:26am

Originally posted by OSCAR

Angel

again i cant believe you are trying to justify that the USA is not a Christian country.

iv shown you the facts above and you still cant accept the truth.

I never denied them! I accept them but you cannot use it to say that a country is offically such and such - christianity, i will use since you are stuck on that.

Oscar go and use nationality statistics instead.

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Posted: 09 January 2008 at 1:04pm

Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by Sign*Reader

and why a non christen establishment would go for the crosses?

Crosses were around for sometime before Christianity.

Oh pleeeease Angel let go of PC!

let go of the pc, well what about you you're getting down to the nitty gritty about crosses

Thank you and to the other person who also mentioned about Barack. just couldn't remember at the time.

Now are you going back to stone age medals?

Aren't you running out of good argument ?
If we go before Christianity time frame , isn't the altercation moot?
BTW you know what PC stands for ?

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Posted: 11 February 2008 at 12:23am

I haven't read the whole thread but this is a response to the original poster.

Christian and non-Christian Americans, or at least a large portion of them, don't want to believe that our government and our leaders would engage in an immoral and unjust war. Many of them buy into the demonization of Islam and Islamic countries and actually believe we are keeping the United States safe and helping out the Iraqi people.

The Bush administration, aided by the media, has done a great job of turning Islam into the new communism in order to justify our massive defense budget, from which companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Exxon, etc. gain billions and billions in profits. The lives of millions of Iraqis and Afghans mean nothing to the men who benefit from these wars.

As a former marine who spent time in Iraq and now someone who considers myself a humanitarian, I am very opposed to the war in Iraq and our foreign policy in general. I find it very hypocritical, in violation of human rights to a whole new extreme, and bordering on genocidal.

'Words without actions are the assassins of idealism.'

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Posted: 11 February 2008 at 1:54am

Well said Matt5058. Does this number signify anything? or just nothing.

Your opinion and actions definitely are in a very minority group in US. most of the people who have similar opinions are not doing enough. Bush would not have been ellected if the majority people felt the same.

I know US/Europe are secular states. Which respects all religion (orally) and in state legislation/policies violet all religion (gayrights, same sex marriage, abortions, social norms etc) it is more of eithistic. As of today, secularism is same as eithism.

So eithism is standing against all religions, not only Islam. They think they have christianity and others in control, so it is a battle for controlling Islam. Unfortunately as a muslim i understand my faith and the people of my faith quiet a lot, and i am sure that the situation with islam will never be same as others, it is too shalow to put it in line with socialism. Islam is deeper than one can imagine in the west.

I appreciate your belief and what you stand for.

"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"

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Posted: 11 February 2008 at 7:42am

Originally posted by nu001

Well said Matt5058. Does this number signify anything? or just nothing.

I appreciate your belief and what you stand for.

the number is just something I have used for screennames in the past on other forums and messageboards, no real significance...

thank you

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nu001 Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 252	Posted: 09 January 2008 at 1:07am
	*Originally posted by Angel* *Originally posted by nu001* We all know the histories of killing muslims and jews by the christians in all over europe. Has europe proclaimed to be christian? you in the west have started being civilized to allow the muslims practice religion in merely a century back. Are we talking about christians or the west here? "you in the west" who do you mean by that statement, christians? or people in general which by the way will include all different religions, not just christians. Has anyone ever claimed ever to be a terrorist? Does any criminal claims to be one? So what does matter is the actions. What is europes religious identity? Secularism does not kill religious identity like socialism. And please stop carrying dual identity for convenience. When it's needed to be cristian you be in a minute and when it is inconvenient to face truth then use the other. But we all know what europe is !! don't we? I am not sure if anyone practices christianity there, but I judge europe from it's policies and actions beyond their borders. I didn't know if other religions are able to dictate policies in the west. I have explained the religious issue with western government in one of my previous posts. Edited by nu001
	"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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OSCAR Newbie Joined: 29 October 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33	Posted: 09 January 2008 at 3:44am
	Angel again i cant believe you are trying to justify that the USA is not a Christian country. iv shown you the facts above and you still cant accept the truth. answer me this if a Christian American lives in Saudi Arabia dose he become a Saudi and dose his religion just vanishes. also if i identify myself as a whale dose that make me one. Edited by OSCAR
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 09 January 2008 at 3:57am
	**Originally posted by SignReader* Originally posted by Angel** As for being classed as Christian terrorist it cannot simply because countries are not christian nor the west cannot be called that either, despite leaders being christian & majority of citizens may be christian. And the highest medals given by these governments to their soldiers are likes of Victoria Crosses, Distinguished service Crosses for Army, Air Force , Navy and Marines, Angel why would any Jew or Muslim would like to carry that over his heart and why a non christen establishment would go for the crosses? Crosses were around for sometime before Christianity. Oh pleeeease Angel let go of PC! let go of the pc, well what about you you're getting down to the nitty gritty about crosses Thank you and to the other person who also mentioned about Barack. just couldn't remember at the time.
	[IMG]http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/engel/img/003.gif" />~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 09 January 2008 at 4:26am
	*Originally posted by OSCAR* Angel again i cant believe you are trying to justify that the USA is not a Christian country. iv shown you the facts above and you still cant accept the truth. I never denied them! I accept them but you cannot use it to say that a country is offically such and such - christianity, i will use since you are stuck on that. Oscar go and use nationality statistics instead.
	[IMG]http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/engel/img/003.gif" />~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 09 January 2008 at 1:04pm
	*Originally posted by Angel* **Originally posted by SignReader* Originally posted by Angel** As for being classed as Christian terrorist it cannot simply because countries are not christian nor the west cannot be called that either, despite leaders being christian & majority of citizens may be christian. And the highest medals given by these governments to their soldiers are likes of Victoria Crosses, Distinguished service Crosses for Army, Air Force , Navy and Marines, Angel why would any Jew or Muslim would like to carry that over his heart and why a non christen establishment would go for the crosses? Crosses were around for sometime before Christianity. Oh pleeeease Angel let go of PC! let go of the pc, well what about you you're getting down to the nitty gritty about crosses Thank you and to the other person who also mentioned about Barack. just couldn't remember at the time. Now are you going back to stone age medals? Aren't you running out of good argument ? If we go before Christianity time frame , isn't the altercation moot? BTW you know what PC stands for ? Edited by Sign*Reader
	Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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matt5058 Starter Joined: 10 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4	Posted: 11 February 2008 at 12:23am
	I haven't read the whole thread but this is a response to the original poster. Christian and non-Christian Americans, or at least a large portion of them, don't want to believe that our government and our leaders would engage in an immoral and unjust war. Many of them buy into the demonization of Islam and Islamic countries and actually believe we are keeping the United States safe and helping out the Iraqi people. The Bush administration, aided by the media, has done a great job of turning Islam into the new communism in order to justify our massive defense budget, from which companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Exxon, etc. gain billions and billions in profits. The lives of millions of Iraqis and Afghans mean nothing to the men who benefit from these wars. As a former marine who spent time in Iraq and now someone who considers myself a humanitarian, I am very opposed to the war in Iraq and our foreign policy in general. I find it very hypocritical, in violation of human rights to a whole new extreme, and bordering on genocidal.
	'Words without actions are the assassins of idealism.'
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nu001 Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 252	Posted: 11 February 2008 at 1:54am
	Well said Matt5058. Does this number signify anything? or just nothing. Your opinion and actions definitely are in a very minority group in US. most of the people who have similar opinions are not doing enough. Bush would not have been ellected if the majority people felt the same. I know US/Europe are secular states. Which respects all religion (orally) and in state legislation/policies violet all religion (gayrights, same sex marriage, abortions, social norms etc) it is more of eithistic. As of today, secularism is same as eithism. So eithism is standing against all religions, not only Islam. They think they have christianity and others in control, so it is a battle for controlling Islam. Unfortunately as a muslim i understand my faith and the people of my faith quiet a lot, and i am sure that the situation with islam will never be same as others, it is too shalow to put it in line with socialism. Islam is deeper than one can imagine in the west. I appreciate your belief and what you stand for.
	"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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matt5058 Starter Joined: 10 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4	Posted: 11 February 2008 at 7:42am
	*Originally posted by nu001* Well said Matt5058. Does this number signify anything? or just nothing. Your opinion and actions definitely are in a very minority group in US. most of the people who have similar opinions are not doing enough. Bush would not have been ellected if the majority people felt the same. I know US/Europe are secular states. Which respects all religion (orally) and in state legislation/policies violet all religion (gayrights, same sex marriage, abortions, social norms etc) it is more of eithistic. As of today, secularism is same as eithism. So eithism is standing against all religions, not only Islam. They think they have christianity and others in control, so it is a battle for controlling Islam. Unfortunately as a muslim i understand my faith and the people of my faith quiet a lot, and i am sure that the situation with islam will never be same as others, it is too shalow to put it in line with socialism. Islam is deeper than one can imagine in the west. I appreciate your belief and what you stand for. the number is just something I have used for screennames in the past on other forums and messageboards, no real significance... thank you
	'Words without actions are the assassins of idealism.'
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