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Matt Browne
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Posted: 16 June 2012 at 11:39am

In the 20th century it was extremely rare that Christians killed in the name of Christianity. Hitler for example killed in the name of a perverse ideology called Nazism.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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Posted: 19 June 2012 at 4:42pm

I live here in the US, I see church or religion play a inseperable role in state affairs. Politicians use religion as a factor when getting public office. I find in many instances politicians use religion in policies of our country.

I am a religious man myself, but I would like to see religion (any) practically be seperated from state to protect all people who come here thinking that church and state are seperate, they aren't.

Hasan

Actually, they are. You're confusing the American (Western), right of free speech with preconceptions.

Seek the words "God" "Creator" Almight Lord" or "Big Cheese" or whatever-- you will not find it in the wording of the law. Why? Because it is impermissable. A politician making a speech is free speech and therefore he-- like any other Amreican and like any other president, can make any comment about god, gods, or other supernatural invention.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 6:40pm

Originally posted by honeto

I would like to see religion (any) practically be seperated from state to protect all people who come here thinking that church and state are seperate, they aren't.

Hasan

Church and state are separate but you can not separate people from their beliefs, and yes those beliefs will always play a part in how the people want their country to be run. Those beliefs will always be a factor in all aspects of society.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:01pm

Originally posted by OSCAR

How is it that openly Committed Christian leaders (Blair Bush, and the rest, Australia Europe) ......

What came to mind for me when reading this is just such...

The need to separate the concept of war and the concept of religion.

Why is the U.S. involved over in the mid east? To fight terrorism. This is in response to an act of war, it is not a religious agenda.

But the point I want to make is this...

Can you say that no Muslim run country would ever declare war on anyone due to the nature of their religion?

It is the same in both cases. War and religion are separate matters. Leaders have always had to put aside religion to fight for causes they feel are just and necessary. This would be, and has been, just as true of a Muslim leader as of any other leader.

I will add to this... it is a reason I would never be a leader... I would never put aside living by the laws of God to do things that are sinful under His law.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:11pm

Originally posted by martha

' if killing is wrong, why do we do it?

I have shared this thought before.

There would be no killing if we all truly served God

... and if there were no evil in this world... but there is evil in this world which does cause us to act against God's laws and commit sins we might not otherwise choose to commit.

You are correct evil causes the innocent to suffer right along with the evil... and seeking power and tyranny is the fruit of evil.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:20pm

Originally posted by martha

I think what is confusing is the fact that the bible continually is being altered.

Anatolian, the bible verses you have written down for us are not of The Bible St James version. The one you have quoted from has been interpreted differently, and so can change the meaning of the original St James version. (The original version is also not complete and has many authors)Surely many Christians then are confused with so many versions circulating? Perhaps it is the cause for misunderstanding amongst Christian leaders/politicans? Oscar you said 'if the Christian west cant even see what they did was wrong what bible have they been reading. I dont know which version/s they were reading to be honest.

The Quran however, has never been altered. (Seekshidayath also pointed this out, as have others)It has only been translated into other languages so others can understand it. There is a big difference bewteen translation and alteration. Christians tell others to not read the Quran. Islam is an easy religion to understand. Christians seem to think that religion must be complicated as they have indeed made it so.

Hi Martha, just for clarity, I think you mean King James version of the Bible.

and I highly recommend viewing this link

http://www.creed26.com/media.php?pageID=20

and listening to Nabeel's talk on Why Engage Islam? My Story.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 8:23pm

Originally posted by martha

I was once a Christian. I am now muslim.

I am curious what it was that convinced you of Islam? or why did you become a Muslim?

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Posted: 13 August 2012 at 7:00pm

Hello Oscar,

I read your post and I think you make very valid points. I'm a Christian and I really do grieve that so many lives were lost in wars we caused in the Middle East. I know of others who feel the same way. Unfortunately, much of the West is labeled as Christian but very few actually practice Christianity as it is taught in the Bible and particulary by what Jesus says. Even Jesus said in the Gospels, "Why do you call me Lord and don't do what I say?". He also says, "These people draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me". All this is to say that the West is not a good representation of Christianity. Any true Christian never delights in anyone's death even if they deserve it (ie. self-defense or protecting others). I hope this helps some.

Sincerely,

Akie

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