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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 12:48am

Who is warring on Islam? Are they christians?

Mini skirts, drugs, living tigether, top less, bottomless, nudity, alchoholism etc etc are results of current western civilizations, which is also leveled as democracy and freedom. Are these the christian preachings and cultures? Vastly the western world is ruled by devils (Anti Religious/Anti God). Western people find it Obligatory, legal or convenient rathar than to follow christianity. Even being a christian priest for the most, is more of a profession than motivation. They are also finding it convenient. A homosexual can be the head of a church. Imagine what's happening there??

It is only the Islam which still influences the state value systems to a large extent. Religiously that has a lot of similarities with the christian values as well. According to bible, a women's head should be shaved off if she is coming open with uncovered hair, drinking is discouraged in bible and premarital sex is a grave sin. So the west feels their anti religious value system based on absolute freedom, threatened by only Islam. Specially those who are strong advocates of the religious value system, they are terrorists in western view, as they are terrorising that anti religious value system and the west has gone crazy to kill and eliminate them.

Allah Says: when the falsehood clashes with the truth, the falsehood perishes, for it is bound to perish by it's nature.

So we can wait and watch the result, even if u are not interested to actively participate for the truth, Allah will ensure it. History shows, None could get away with falsehood.



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Quote Diagoras Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 7:18am
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That is correct, the West has a long tradition of religious freedom. However, it is not anti-religious but secular. The role of the State is not to enforce the moral views of one religion or another (that leads only to the terror and carnage of the Dark Ages) but to ensure that the liberties of its citizens are defended.

It is only the Islam which still influences the state value systems to a large extent.

That is, quite frankly, a terrible thing. Why should a Muslim be able to tell me how to wear my hair or who I can have sex with? What business is it of theirs? And the reverse is true, I have no right to tell a Muslim that they cannot worship their God so long as that worship does not trample on my liberties. A State ruled by religion will only encourage religious war and hatred.
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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 9:23am

That is, quite frankly, a terrible thing. Why should a Muslim be able to tell me how to wear my hair or who I can have sex with? What business is it of theirs?

Good god, when did a Muslim do that? Mail me his or her address, I promise, I will fix him.

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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:00am

Originally posted by Diagoras

However, it is not anti-religious but secular.

Putting words don't change an act, encouraging a culture against the bible and incidents of scarf banning etc out of many actions of these governments are clearly anti religious than being secular, if we know the same definition of secularims. Can you explain it please !!

The role of the State is not to enforce the moral views of one religion or another (that leads only to the terror and carnage of the Dark Ages) but to ensure that the liberties of its citizens are defended.

I agree that in a secular state enforcing religion is not expected, but encouraging and enforcing anti religion acts also should not be expected, isn't it? I am not sure religion leads to terror and carnage, is the society any better off in values than the period you are talking about?

That is, quite frankly, a terrible thing. Why should a Muslim be able to tell me how to wear my hair or who I can have sex with? What business is it of theirs? And the reverse is true, I have no right to tell a Muslim that they cannot worship their God so long as that worship does not trample on my liberties. A State ruled by religion will only encourage religious war and hatred.

I meant in the countries where islam is the state religion, islam influences the value system, not the secular states you reffer to. As far the west is concerned, muslims don't complain if women move around half naked or in bikinis why should the state have problem with muslims preffer to have Hijab? A states value system must be guided by a religion depending on the predominant religion, with freedom for other religions, religions are creators instruction manuals, He knows the best how his creation will function the best, why should it spread hatred, no religion preaches hatred. What happened before may not be inspired by religion, they just happen to belong to some religion, but surely was not adhearing to it.

The car you bought has a instruction manual from it's manufacturer, if you think you are a genius and ignore that, soon you will find the car in the garbage, for sure.  

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Quote palistine Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:02am

Peace to all.

i find this to be quite interesting topic. anyways, who ever wrote the following quote:"ISLAM IS INTOLERANT OF INJUSTICE, SO THE UNJUST WILL HATE IT"  you definitely deserve a NOBLE PEACE PRICE

i never heard anything like it before.

peace, Palestine 

 



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 9:53pm

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Would you kindly list some achievments of brazen greed based state value systems?

That is, quite frankly, a terrible thing. Why should a Muslim be able to tell me how to wear my hair or who I can have sex with? What business is it of theirs?

I have once before asked you when did that happen and where, but you seem to have evaporated into some non-existent thin air well matched with your statement.

Do you hold the guts at least to clarify what your statement means?

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:10pm

What does the great self-congratulated secularism say If and when people want a system for themselves - other than secularism (as if it were certified by none other than the Creator of the Universe in person. And, possibly, at the Azores with Blair, Bush and Aznar being the primary witnesses!!

Could any secularist just answer me what does the following say or, better still, requires? (I am secular, but don't treat secularism as some Gaad or a poison that kills all ailments!)

Pakistanis want ‘Islamic democracy’: poll

Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, Jan 7: The majority of Pakistanis want a larger role for both Islam and democracy in their country, but are deeply distrustful of the United States and its war on terror, says a survey released in Washington.

The in-depth survey of public opinion, conducted by a private surveyor called World Public Opinion for the government-funded US Institute for Peace and released on Monday, reveals the majority in Pakistan supports a moderate and democratic Islamic state.

Most Pakistanis want Islam to play a larger role in society. However, the majority also favours a more democratic political system, rejects ‘Talibanisation’, and supports recent government efforts to reform the Madressah system by focusing more on science and mathematics.

Few people have any sympathy for Muslim militant groups and most would like to see the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas integrated into Pakistan. There is, however, a small but significant minority that shows sympathy for Muslim militant groups.

The survey also found that opinions towards the United States are quite negative, apparently linked to a growing perception that the United States is hostile towards Islam and Muslims.

The survey finds strong public support for a wider role for Islam in Pakistan. Asked “How important is it for you to live in a country that is governed according to Islamic principles?” on a 10-point scale, 61 per cent give an answer of 10 (meaning “absolutely important”). The mean response is 9.0. However, asked the degree to which Pakistan is currently governed by Islamic principles, the mean score is just 4.6.

Sixty per cent want Sharia to play a larger role, “as compared to current Pakistan law,” than it does today.

The surveyors note that the support for Sharia playing a greater role may indicate desire for the civil courts to perform their functions more effectively rather than for a fundamental change.

At the same time a large majority of Pakistanis want Pakistan to be more democratic. Asked “How important it is to you to live in a country that is governed by representatives elected by the people” on a 10-point scale, the mean response is 8.4. Asked to rate Pakistan in this regard the mean score was just 4.8, though the polling was conducted just before emergency rule was imposed.

Interestingly, among the 60 per cent majority who support a larger role for Sharia compared to current Pakistani law, 64 per cent give the importance of democracy a 10 -- considerably higher than for those who do not favour more Sharia.

What does your ethics demand? Send a few thousand B52s to liberate them from themselves? Or, just plant someone who smells nice to us to govern them? 

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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 08 January 2008 at 12:13am
Unfortunately brother, one of the things that would concern me is what brand of Islam would they govern the folks with in the country. the true type of Islamic rule that was enlightening and tolerant as practiced by Islamic Spain in mid medeviel times, or the head chopping off force the women to be illiterate and wear burqa type that was practiced in Afghanistan under the Taliban ruled regime? What breaks my heart is my Afghani refugee friends that I am working with to teach them to read and write, at least in English. Once they learn the English lettering they can read even the transliterated stuff in their own language. These are women aged 15 to 42, who were not allowed to attend school. True the American and foreign occupation has been a bad thing, but I think the viciousness of the former rulers of Afghanistan were worse. I would not like to see the Wahabbi form of Islam there also.
Maybe Secularism is better. For whatever people fault America, the founding fathers had the right idea when they wrote the constitution and the bill of rights. The right to worship as one pleases without interruption (the colonists left Britain because of this issue, Brits were forcing Henry the VIII's church on everyone) The right to own property without having to quarter the state, freedom of expression and speech, was the original intent. Jefferson was not a "christian, he was a secularist, but he believed in the separation of church and state. The problem lies with the extremists that live in this country, that want their extreme views and religion to be everyone's. And the big money people are throwing their views too. I am sure the current president and administration is bought and owned. What the people here need to do is read their own constitution on their own and take back what is theirs. Problem is though that higher education is too costly now for the common man, funding has been cut by the Burro of a president, that and funding for healthcare for children. New Orleans is being rebuilt by Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. See there are good non muslims in the world! We should not judge between muslim and non muslim? We all have our own prisons, I would rather stay in this sleepy town in Mexico and dodge the cartels than dodge the feds!
Try crossing the international border here, it is traumatizing!
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