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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71698">NABA</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> dear Yunus(pbuh)/J&#111;nah<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 May 2013 at 1:05am<br /><br /><p>Prophet Jonah(pbuh) said these words-"Innalillah ILA AntaSubhanak Innakuntum minalzalimin"-there is no God but Allah and all this glory belongs to him and indeed I was wrong.this is mentioned in Surah Al Anbya ch 21 v 87.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71791">786SalamKhan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 February 2013 at 9:48am<br /><br />I know it's late but when Muhammad(SAW) says "to this day" it could mean generations after Noah(PBUH) as the Old Testament usually refers the generations from Adam(PBUH) to Noah(PBUH) as the "days of old" or the "old world" and the generations after as "to this day".<br />Also are you aware that both our scriptures claim ancient men over 150, 200, 500 or even 900 years of age? Never mind the size of them.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by 786SalamKhan - 09 February 2013 at 9:52am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711">TG12345</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 January 2013 at 2:41pm<br /><br />&nbsp;<div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />I'm not a Salafi who accepts anything and everything from Bukhari and Muslim. But since there are two I guess there is meaning to it. To be honest I originally believed Adam to be 60 cubits until I saw the claim of Imam Malik denying it. Although I cannot find evidence for this in Muwatta. I would first listen to the Four Imams(Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi and Ahmad ibn Hanbal) before Bukhari and Muslim. Muwatta is considered more authentic than Bukhari and Muslim. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?93046-Is-Imam-Malik-s-Muwatta-more-authentic-than-Sahih-Bukhari<br><br>So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits and the rest etc. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?110103-Hadith-of-Adam-%28AS%29<br><br><br></div><br><br><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by TG12345</strong></em><br /><br />Assalamu Alaikum, 786SalaamKhan,<br><br>Thank you for the response.<br><br>So you do accept that Muhammad claimed that Adam was 60 cubits tall in Paradise and that since Adam's creation, people have been decreasing in size continuously until the coming of Muhammad?<br><br>Bukhari<br><br><i><span>(4)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). <b>People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543" target="_blank">#55</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543#543" target="_blank">#543</a>)<br><br><br></span></i>Bukhari<br><i><br><span>(8)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. <b>Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) <u>to the present time.</u>"</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246" target="_blank">#74</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246#246" target="_blank">#246</a>)</span><br></i><font color="#000099"><font color="#000000">&nbsp;<br></font></font><br>Muslim<br><br><span ="quran"="">(2)</span>&nbsp;Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created <b><font color="#FF0000">adam</font></b> in His own image with His length of sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>,<b> then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size <u>up to this day</u>.</b> &nbsp;<span ="quran"="">(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809" target="_blank">#040</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809#6809" target="_blank">#6809</a>)<br><br></span>Thanks and Allahma3k.<br><br><br></div><br><br><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalaamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />Wa Alaikum,<br><br>I already answered:<br>"So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits <b>and the rest etc.</b>"</div><br><br>Alaikum salaam, SalaamKhan.<br><br>You did say that, I am sorry I missed it.<br><br>Are you aware that the height of people in Europe between the middle of the first century and the 7th century (when Muhammad began preaching) <br>fluctuated and significantly increased at times- like between the fourth and sixth century? Although people in Europe in the 7th century were shorter than people in the 6th century, they were in fact taller than those living in the 1st and 3th centuries.<br><br>http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/wwl/koepke_baten_twomillennia.pdf<br><br>I am unaware of stats for Africa or Asia or the Americas or other parts of the world, but historical evidence shows that in some parts of the Europe, instead of continuously decreasing in stature from the beginning of time to the time of Muhammad, the growth of people fluctuated between the 1st and 7th century and have for the most part been on the rise.<br><br>Scroll to page 13 to see the table showing human height between the 1st and 18th centuries AD.<br><br>How would you reconcile this data with Muhammad's statement that people have been decreasing in size between the creation of the world and the 7th century AD?<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by TG12345 - 20 January 2013 at 4:55pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71791">786SalamKhan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 January 2013 at 7:29am<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by TG12345</strong></em><br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />I'm not a Salafi who accepts anything and everything from Bukhari and Muslim. But since there are two I guess there is meaning to it. To be honest I originally believed Adam to be 60 cubits until I saw the claim of Imam Malik denying it. Although I cannot find evidence for this in Muwatta. I would first listen to the Four Imams(Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi and Ahmad ibn Hanbal) before Bukhari and Muslim. Muwatta is considered more authentic than Bukhari and Muslim. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?93046-Is-Imam-Malik-s-Muwatta-more-authentic-than-Sahih-Bukhari<br><br>So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits and the rest etc. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?110103-Hadith-of-Adam-%28AS%29<br><br><br></div><br><br>Assalamu Alaikum, 786SalaamKhan,<br><br>Thank you for the response.<br><br>So you do accept that Muhammad claimed that Adam was 60 cubits tall in Paradise and that since Adam's creation, people have been decreasing in size continuously until the coming of Muhammad?<br><br>Bukhari<br><br><i><span>(4)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). <b>People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543" target="_blank">#55</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543#543" target="_blank">#543</a>)<br><br><br></span></i>Bukhari<br><i><br><span>(8)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. <b>Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) <u>to the present time.</u>"</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246" target="_blank">#74</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246#246" target="_blank">#246</a>)</span><br></i><font color="#000099"><font color="#000000">&nbsp;<br></font></font><br>Muslim<br><br><span ="quran"="">(2)</span>&nbsp;Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created <b><font color="#FF0000">adam</font></b> in His own image with His length of sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>,<b> then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size <u>up to this day</u>.</b> &nbsp;<span ="quran"="">(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809" target="_blank">#040</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809#6809" target="_blank">#6809</a>)<br><br></span>Thanks and Allahma3k.<br><br><br></div><br><br>Wa Alaikum,<br><br>I already answered:<br>"So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits <b>and the rest etc.</b>"]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711">TG12345</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 January 2013 at 7:25am<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />I'm not a Salafi who accepts anything and everything from Bukhari and Muslim. But since there are two I guess there is meaning to it. To be honest I originally believed Adam to be 60 cubits until I saw the claim of Imam Malik denying it. Although I cannot find evidence for this in Muwatta. I would first listen to the Four Imams(Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi and Ahmad ibn Hanbal) before Bukhari and Muslim. Muwatta is considered more authentic than Bukhari and Muslim. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?93046-Is-Imam-Malik-s-Muwatta-more-authentic-than-Sahih-Bukhari<br><br>So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits and the rest etc. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?110103-Hadith-of-Adam-%28AS%29<br><br><br></div><br><br>Assalamu Alaikum, 786SalaamKhan,<br><br>Thank you for the response.<br><br>So you do accept that Muhammad claimed that Adam was 60 cubits tall in Paradise and that since Adam's creation, people have been decreasing in size continuously until the coming of Muhammad?<br><br>Bukhari<br><br><i><span>(4)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). <b>People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543" target="_blank">#55</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543#543" target="_blank">#543</a>)<br><br><br></span></i>Bukhari<br><i><br><span>(8)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. <b>Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) <u>to the present time.</u>"</b> &nbsp;<span>(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246" target="_blank">#74</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246#246" target="_blank">#246</a>)</span><br></i><font color="#000099"><font color="#000000">&nbsp;<br></font></font><br>Muslim<br><br><span ="Quran">(2)</span>&nbsp;Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created <b><font color="#FF0000">adam</font></b> in His own image with His length of sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty <b><font color="#FF0000">cubits</font></b>,<b> then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size <u>up to this day</u>.</b> &nbsp;<span ="Quran">(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809" target="_blank">#040</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&amp;translator=2&amp;start=0&amp;number=6809#6809" target="_blank">#6809</a>)<br><br></span>Thanks and Allahma3k.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71791">786SalamKhan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 January 2013 at 2:34am<br /><br />I'm not a Salafi who accepts anything and everything from Bukhari and Muslim. But since there are two I guess there is meaning to it. To be honest I originally believed Adam to be 60 cubits until I saw the claim of Imam Malik denying it. Although I cannot find evidence for this in Muwatta. I would first listen to the Four Imams(Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi and Ahmad ibn Hanbal) before Bukhari and Muslim. Muwatta is considered more authentic than Bukhari and Muslim. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?93046-Is-Imam-Malik-s-Muwatta-more-authentic-than-Sahih-Bukhari<br><br>So overall I do accept Adam being 60 cubits and the rest etc. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?110103-Hadith-of-Adam-%28AS%29<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711">TG12345</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 January 2013 at 8:44pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />Wa Alaikum,<br><br>I don't know what to think about the growing shorter hadith it's unlikely and only likely that humans are large in Paradise as there are hadith which say that man will be 60 cubits like Adam was in Paradise.<br><br>To get a direct quote from Imam Malik would have to be in his book Muwatta which do not have possess or have access to. The other scholars were more concerned with Fiqh(Law) hadith rather than theology hadith. Allah knows best.<br></div><br><br>Salaam Alaikum,<br><br>Why do you think the people growing shorter hadith is unlikely? It is reported twice in Sahih Bukhari. Most of the same hadiths that say people will resemble Adam in stature in paradise say that people have been decreasing in stature from Adam's removal from Paradise up to now. They come from Abu Huraira.<br><br>Why would you accept one part of the hadith and deny the other?<br><br>Do you have any proof that these hadiths are not the authentic words of Muhammad?<br><i><br><span ="quran"="">(4)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation. &nbsp;<span ="quran"="">(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543" target="_blank">#55</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=55&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=543#543" target="_blank">#543</a>)<br><br><br></span><br><span ="quran"="">(8)</span>&nbsp;Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time." &nbsp;<span ="quran"="">(Book <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246" target="_blank">#74</a>, Hadith <a href="http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=74&amp;translator=1&amp;start=0&amp;number=246#246" target="_blank">#246</a>)</span><br></i><br>http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=cubits&amp;translator=1&amp;search=1&amp;book=&amp;start=0&amp;records_display=10&amp;search_word=all<br><br><br>Not trying to be aggressive or rude or anything, I am just surprised you reject a hadith that has been recorded in Bukhari, which allegedly is the most accurate depiction of Muhammad's words.<br><br>I found this interesting article on livingislam.org I am curious what you think of it.<br><br><b><span ="mttl"="">Weak Hadiths in Sahih al-Bukhari?</span><br></b><br> <p><i>by  GF Haddad</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Ibrahim  ibn Ma'qil said: I heard Muhammad ibn Isma'il al-Bukhari say: "I  was with Ishaq ibn Rahuyah when a man said: 'Why don't you compile  an epitome (mukhtasar) of the prophetic ways?' This stayed with  me, and was the reason why I compiled this book (the Sahih)."  Al-Dhahabi said: "It has been narrated through two firm channels of transmission that  al-Bukhari said: 'I extracted this book from about 600,000 (sound)  hadiths, and I compiled it over sixteen years, and I made it a plea  for what lies between myself and Allah.'" Al-Firabri said:  Muhammad ibn Isma'il said to me: "I never included in the Sahih  a hadith except I made a major ablution (ghusl) and prayed two rak'at  beforehand."</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Al-Nawawi  said: "The scholars have agreed that the soundest of all hadith  compilations are the two Sahihs of al-Bukhari and Muslim, and their  vast majority have agreed that the soundest and most beneficial  of the two was al-Bukhari's " He continued: "The totality  of its hadiths are 7,275 with the repetitions and about 4,000 without."</i></p><i> </i><p><i>In  his Kitab al-Tatabbu', al-Daraqutni argues for the weakness of 78  hadiths in al-Bukhari, 100 in Muslim, and 32 in both based on isnad  and matn criticism.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Al-Nawawi  said: "The two Sahihs differ from all other books only in respect  to the fact that what is in them is sahih and does not require investigation."  Ibn al-Salah said: "Whatever only al-Bukhari or only Muslim  narrates enters &#091;also&#093; into the category of what is definitely sahih...  except a few letters which some of the expert critics objected to,  such as al-Daraqutni and others - and these are known to the specialists."  He said this after stating that what they agree upon is "definitely sahih" (maqtu'un bisih.h.atihi) for the Umma.  Imam al-Nawawi objected to the terms "definitely sahih"  while granting all that is in the Sahihayn the level of "strongly  presumed &#091;sahih&#093; until it becomes mutawatir" (yufidu al-zanna  ma lam yatawatar) as is the rule with all sahih lone-narrated (ahad)  hadiths. But Ibn Kathir differed: "I am with Ibn al-Salah in  his conclusion and directives, and Allah knows best." Al-Suyuti  in Tadrib al-Rawi cites Ibn Kathir's words verbatim then states:  "And this is also my choice and none other." This is because  of the standing of the two Sahihs in the Umma and because none of  the past Imams in Islam ever declared explicitly and rightly that  all they had gathered in their respective books was sahih except  al-Bukhari and Muslim, and the verifying experts have confirmed  their claim. Al-Suyuti also states:</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Shaykh  al-Islam said: "What al-Nawawi mentioned in Sharh Sahih Muslim  is based on the perspective of the majority (al-aktharin); as for  that of the verifying authorities (al-muhaqqiqun), then no. For  the verifying authorities also agree with Ibn al-Salah."</i></p><i> </i><p><i>By  "Shaykh al-Islam" al-Suyuti means the spotless Hafiz and  immaculate Imam Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani and his book al-Nukat 'ala  Ibn al-Salah. Al-Suyuti goes on to quote in detail - mostly from  Hadi al-Sari - the refutations of Ibn Hajar to al-Daraqutni's criticism,  showing that, in effect, the latter fails to invalidate the view  of the Sahihayn as 100% sahih.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>The  fact is that they are all sahih but not all of them reach the same  high degree of sahih. This is in essence what al-Dhahabi concluded  concerning the few narrators of the Sahihayn whose grading was questioned:  "The narration of one such as those, does not go below the  rank of hasan which we might call the lowest rank of the sahih."  Shaykh Abu Ghudda comments in the margin: "This is an explicit  confirmation that al-Bukhari and Muslim did not confine themselves,  in the narrations of their respective books, only to narrate hadiths  that have the highest degree of sihha." Then again in his appendix (p. 144) he states:</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Our  Shaykh, the 'Allama Ahmad Shakir - Allah have mercy on him - stated:  "The truth without doubt among the verifiers of those who have  knowledge of the sciences of hadith... is that the hadiths of the  two Sahihs are all sahih and there is not in a single one of them  a cause for true &#091;technical&#093; disparagement or weakness. What al-Daraqutni and others  criticized is only on the basis that it did not reach the high criterion  which each of them defined in their respective books. As for the  &#091;criterion of&#093; soundness (sihha) of the hadiths in themselves, then  both of them lived up to it.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>Dr.  Badi' al-Sayyid al-Lahham in his edition of Ibn Kathir's al-Ba'ith  al-Hathith (p. 44-45) also closes the discussion on the topic of  the Sahihayn with the same words but without attributing them to  Shakir. Abu Ghudda concludes (p. 145): "All these texts show  that most of what is in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim is of  the highest degree of the sahih, and that some of what is in them  is not of the highest degree of the sahih." More to the point,  our teacher Dr. Nur al-Din 'Itr said in his manual Manhaj al-Naqd fi 'Ulum al-Hadith: "The ruling concerning  the hadiths of the two Sahihs is that they are all sahih."  All those mentioned above - Ibn al-Salah, al-Nawawi, al-Dhahabi,  Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hajar, al-Suyuti, Ahmad Shakir, Abu Ghudda, 'Itr,  al-Lahham - agreed on the fact that all of what is in al-Bukhari  and Muslim is sahih, and, apart from al-Nawawi's duly recorded dissent,  the muhaqqiqun such as Ibn al-Salah, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hajar, and  al-Suyuti consider all the hadiths contained in them maqtu'un bisihhatihi i.e. of the same probative  force as mutawatir hadith. Further examination of the positions  of the major hadith Masters might add more names to this distinguished  list.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>The  questions are sometimes asked (1) whether all the Ulema of Hadith  agree that all the hadiths in al-Bukhari and Muslim are sahih or  (2) if there are any scholars who consider them to contain some  weak narrations, and (3) whether one who believes that "the  Sahihayn are not 100% sahih" is an innovator. As was just shown,  some of the greatest hadith authorities such as Ibn al-Salah, Ibn  Kathir, and al-Suyuti answered yes to the first question. Imam al-Haramayn  (Ibn al-Juwayni) said that if a man swore on pains of divorce that  all that is in al-Bukhari and Muslim is sahih his marriage would  be safe. But Imam al-Daraqutni said a small number may not reach  that level so the answer to the second question has to be yes. Yet  the objections were refuted one by one by Ibn Hajar at the beginning  of Fath al-Bari and Imam al-Nawawi at the beginning of Sharh Sahih  Muslim. The short formula "whether the Sahihayn are or not  100% sahih" remains tenuous and misleading, for the Umma far  and wide - meaning the Consensus of the Fuqaha' generation after  generation - have been satisfied that they are.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>This  conclusion excludes the chainless, broken-chained reports, or unattibuted  reports sometimes adduced by al-Bukhari in his chapter-titles or  appended to certain narrations. An example of the latter is the  so-called "suicide hadith" - one of al-Zuhri's unattributive  narrations (balaghat) which is actually broken-chained and therefore weak. It does not  meet the criteria of hadith authenticity used by the lesser and  greater hadith Masters, much less that of al-Bukhari who mentioned  it only to show its discrepancy with two other chains whose versions  omit the attempted suicide story, and Allah knows best.</i></p><i> </i><p><i>The  above conclusion is proof that the position that everything that  is found in the two Sahihs is rigorously sound refers only to full-chained  reports positively attributed to the Prophet <img src="http://www.livingislam.org/k/durood.gif" height="11" width="13" border="0" alt="MHMD" />, and Allah knows  best.</i></p><p><i><br></i></p><p><i>http://www.livingislam.org/k/whb_e.html</i></p><p><i><br></i></p><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by TG12345 - 19 January 2013 at 8:45pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71791">786SalamKhan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 January 2013 at 3:59am<br /><br />Wa Alaikum,<br><br>I don't know what to think about the growing shorter hadith it's unlikely and only likely that humans are large in Paradise as there are hadith which say that man will be 60 cubits like Adam was in Paradise.<br><br>To get a direct quote from Imam Malik would have to be in his book Muwatta which do not have possess or have access to. The other scholars were more concerned with Fiqh(Law) hadith rather than theology hadith. Allah knows best.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by 786SalamKhan - 18 January 2013 at 3:59am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711">TG12345</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 January 2013 at 9:07pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 786SalamKhan</strong></em><br /><br />Wa Alaikum,<br>That is why I said "possibly disprove" because in all likelihood Adam was only 60 cubits during his time in Paradise as Paradise is an alternate world, there is hadith that say a person in paradise will be 60 cubits like Adam was.<img src="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><br><br>Also, do you even know who Imam Malik is? He was one of the four Major Fiqh and Hadith scholars.<br>Imam Muslim merely collected hadith whether they were authentic, reliable or weak; Imam Muslim came around 300 years afters Prophet Muhammad (SAW) while Imam Malik came within 100 years<br></div><br>Salaam Alaikum 786SalaamKhan,<br><br>I will be the first to admit that you know more about Islamic scholars than I do. Can you please show me a link where he said this? Also, did the other three major Fiqh and Hadith scholars agree with him on this view (ie that it was a weak hadith)? Notice that this same hadith pops up in both Bukhari and Muslim.<br><br><p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><i>This hadeeth was narrated by Abu Hurayrah     (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said:&nbsp;</i></p>    <p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><i>“Allaah created Adam and he was sixty cubits     tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.’     He said, ‘Al-salaamu ‘alaykum (Peace be upon you).’ They said, ‘Al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaah (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allaah).’     So they added the words ‘wa rahmat Allaah.’ And everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam. People kept on growing smaller until     now.”&nbsp;</i></p>    <p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><i>Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3336; Muslim, 7092&nbsp;</i></p>    <p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><i>According to a version narrated by Muslim:     “Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam who was sixty cubits tall. People kept growing smaller until now.” <br></i></p><p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><br></p><p style="text-align: justify; directi&#111;n: ltr; unicode-bidi: "><i>http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20612</i></p>I agree with you, I think the hadith does say that Adam was 60 cubits tall in Paradise, not 60 cubits tall on the earth. I think the only reference the hadith made to people on this earth is that they have been growing shorter and shorter until "now" (the time of Muhammad). Do you believe this?<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71791">786SalamKhan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Adam AS<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 January 2013 at 11:35pm<br /><br />Wa Alaikum,<br>That is why I said "possibly disprove" because in all likelihood Adam was only 60 cubits during his time in Paradise as Paradise is an alternate world, there is hadith that say a person in paradise will be 60 cubits like Adam was.<img src="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><br><br>Also, do you even know who Imam Malik is? He was one of the four Major Fiqh and Hadith scholars.<br>Imam Muslim merely collected hadith whether they were authentic, reliable or weak; Imam Muslim came around 300 years afters Prophet Muhammad (SAW) while Imam Malik came within 100 years<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by 786SalamKhan - 13 January 2013 at 7:54am</span>]]>
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