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Subject: Stigmata
Posted: 19 June 2013 at 7:52pm

It has no scriptural basis or or rationale, so I don't see how even theists can see it as "real".  As for an explanation, I doubt very much that a single explanation will cover all cases.  Most of them are probably pious frauds of various kinds or apocryphal stories, some may be outright charlatanry, and a few unconsciously self-inflicted.  (I'm sure that in the throes of a deep religious trance, all sorts of things could happen that may later be recalled imperfectly or not at all.)]]> Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:52:35 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176480#176480 Interfaith Dialogue : Stigmata http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176474#176474 Author: NABA
Subject: Stigmata
Posted: 19 June 2013 at 9:16am

may be those cases are of congenital diseases such as haemophilia,von wilbrand disease,in which there is defect of clotting factors which may b the cause of bleeding.]]> Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:16:25 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176474#176474 Interfaith Dialogue : The Haj is shirk ? http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25196&PID=176473#176473 Author: Usmani
Subject: The Haj is shirk ?
Posted: 19 June 2013 at 2:17am

Greeting Caringheart,
 

The black stone came from heaven and it was never been worshiped by pagans. On the year 605 AD when pagans rebuilt/renovate the Kaaba, there was a dispute amongst the tribe leaders that who is going to fixed the black stone on its designated place. Finally Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of God upon Him) place the black stone on its place while four leaders of tribes were holding it in curtain or something similar.After five years of this event, first revelation came to Prophet (Peace and blessing of God upon Him)

Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of God upon Him) told that this stone came from heaven. It is also said that it was first arrive here at the time of Adam (Peace and blessing of God upon him) and when Prophet Ibrahim (Peace and blessing of God upon him) building the kaaba, Angel Jibraiel shows the black stone to Him.

This was the reason it is still here on Kaaba otherwise it will also gone with the 360 idols.

 
Logically speaking idols worshiper never worship the idols on it orignal form but they gave shape to it like human which have ears nose etc.and then worship it.Black stone never given this shape.
 
I heard that Jesus (Peace and blessing of God upon him) also there in similar shape in churches.Just want to confirm.


Edited by Usmani - Yesterday at 2:44am]]> Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:17:03 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25196&PID=176473#176473 Interfaith Dialogue : Stigmata http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176472#176472 Author: Caringheart
Subject: Stigmata
Posted: 18 June 2013 at 6:32pm

Greetings Nothing,

No, it is not a new phenomena.  St. Francis and Padre Pio are two of the well know cases.
I really do no know what I make of it.

Salaam,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 18 June 2013 at 6:34pm]]> Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:32:25 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176472#176472 Interfaith Dialogue : Stigmata http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25537&PID=176467#176467 Author: nothing
Subject: Stigmata
Posted: 18 June 2013 at 5:06pm

I have heard about this phenomena first long time ago before the internet was easily available for the masses. Than I saw briefly on TV documentary. And now it is easier to view from different cases with video clips available.

Bleeding occurs without cause, is it real to you or is it a fake?
If this is real according to you, is this only new phenomena? or -----
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Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 18 June 2013 at 1:18pm

Surah Al zumar ch 39 v 41-Allah says truth is in front of you, either accept it and b successfull or reject it and b astray, this verse clearly signifies the free will, which means choice in our hands I.e we r responsible for our own situation.Allah will guide to those who obey him.remember life is a test (ch 67 v 2 ) in this test we will b responsible for own fate in the hereafter. ]]> Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:18:48 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176465#176465 Interfaith Dialogue : The Haj is shirk ? http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25196&PID=176455#176455 Author: Experiential
Subject: The Haj is shirk ?
Posted: 17 June 2013 at 1:36am

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

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  Just in the same way he tried to appeal to the pagans by bowing to your rock that you still bow to today.

 

I told you categorically that we Muslims do not bow to any rock but you keep saying that. This is what you are. We are not hiding anything from our religion, everything is open. You can watch Kabba on 24 hours live telecast at TV.

 

  My Reply

 Read Psalm 138:2
I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.

  In the previous Scriptures, all Prophets of GOD Almighty bowed down to Him, the Almighty, in the direction of His Holy Temple or House.  It's all over the Bible and outside the Bible.

 As to worshiping the Kaaba, we absolutely do not worship it.  The Prophet of Islam said that the spilling OF A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD from a Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the demolishing of the entire Kaaba.  In other words, a single drop of blood from a Muslim Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the entire black cubic building:

  "Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."

 So it is not something we worship.  It is only a point and a direction that brings us together as one. 
 

There is a major difference here. Gods Spirit settled on the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. The Kaaba however was the resting place for pagan idols, Jinn and Demons.

 

You said  "Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."

This surprises me considering Haj is one of the 5 pillars of Islam.



Edited by Experiential - 17 June 2013 at 1:38am]]> Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:36:11 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25196&PID=176455#176455 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176451#176451 Author: Bismarck
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 16 June 2013 at 10:17pm

Originally posted by Rational

...
http://muslim-responses.com/Yahweh_Misguides/Yahweh_Misguides_


that seems to be a very scholarly article

For sake of avoiding all hints of hypocrisy, the Muslim-touted Gospel of Barnabas seems to include blatant editings. i would be willing to acknowledge, that Christians' Scriptures include minor modifications, to the degree, of the differences, between the Greek Gospel of Matthew, and the original Hebrew-version, known as the Gospel of the Hebrews. I.e., here and there, a few words changed, to suit "practicality". But the GoB seems to include editings, far more blatant.

i may mis-understand the importance that Muslims attribute to the GoB, for supporting the Islamic opinion, of the Crucifixion. But, i perceive no value, in ever risking any amount of hypocrisy.

Separately, i understand that the Hadith attributed to Ibn Abbas, about the Crucifixion, contradicts the GoB, which portrays the Apostles as initially fooled by the substitution of Judas for Jesus, whereas Ibn Abbas says they all knew, for Jesus openly asked for a volunteer (evidently Judas):


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus'_death


Edited by Bismarck - 16 June 2013 at 10:18pm]]> Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:17:05 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176451#176451 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176450#176450 Author: Bismarck
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 16 June 2013 at 10:04pm

Originally posted by NABA



In Surah Al Ra'ad ch 13 v 11-Allah does not change the position of those people who themselves don't want to change,from this verse it is truly mentioned we ourselves are responsible for our own deeds,Allah sent those people to astray who themselves don't want to know the truth I.e truth about Islam(submitting the will to Allah).Surah Al Ankaboot ch 29 v 69-if U strive in the way of Allah,Allah will open pathways for U in heaven.yes,Allah has decided about birth and death,as mentioned in Surah Al Mulk ch 67 v 2-Allah has created life and death to test U.


For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron.
Surah 13.11

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So, Allah leads farther astray, those already refusing to obey Allah's Authority; whilst guiding those, who do obey ?]]> Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:04:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176450#176450 Interfaith Dialogue : The Haj is shirk ? http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25196&PID=176446#176446 Author: Caringheart
Subject: The Haj is shirk ?
Posted: 16 June 2013 at 9:53pm

Just a quick question.
The black stone was one of the idols in the kabba when the pagans made their pilgrimages to worship... so it was most definitely a pagan idol... a thing of stone.

So why was it not gotten rid of with all the rest?

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17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them  (Deuteronomy)

28  ... wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. (Deuteronomy)

19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. (Habakkuk)

26 ... neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.  (Leviticus)
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