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Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 23 May 2013 at 7:20pm

Using what you said....Since  Allah chooses he wants  to save...he chose to save Jonah....but if  it was someone else who was predestined for hell...he wouldnt save him...that  is what the ayat says]]> Thu, 23 May 2013 19:20:04 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176183#176183 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176180#176180 Author: NABA
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 23 May 2013 at 9:37am

no,I don't agree with you,then what's the meaning living in this cruel world where so many times U R right but still can't get the desired result,because Allah is testing us for patience as mentioned in Surah Al Asra ch 103 v 1-3-with the token of time men is in the state of loss except those who have faith,who does righteous deeds,resort people to truth,resort people to patience and perseverance.then I will tell U a TRUE incident about prophet Jonah(pbuh),he was disheartened when his people were not willing to listen to his message to worship Only Allah,with that he left his place and went on to the ship,suddenly a violent storm appeared,then the captain tossed who will abandoned the ship in order to remove one who brought bad luck(people in those ages were superstitious)somehow that happened to b prophet Jonah(pbuh) and he jumped into the sea and he was swallowed by the fish,in side it he was in the very dark situation,from there he called Allah for help and Allah helped him(ch 21 v 87),Allah clearly says in Surah al saffat ch 37 v 143-144-that if prophet Jonah(pbuh) would not have called Allah in that phase,Allah could have him remained in the stomach of fish till judgment day,this proves that it is in our hands to receive guidance or not.

Edited by NABA - Yesterday at 9:38am]]> Thu, 23 May 2013 09:37:01 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176180#176180 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176168#176168 Author: bronaz
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 22 May 2013 at 7:58pm

First of  all if we call Quran the Word of God...each phrase  should be able  to stand on its own merit..and not be explained by some other verse. If  two verses say the same thing then we  can  confirm  what is being said.The key point that seems to be made here is predistination...Allah seems to have predestined some for hell, it clearly states Allah sends astray who he wills..
Clearly the persons will has nothing to do with it...he is destined for hell from the very beginning.
]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 19:58:27 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176168#176168 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176166#176166 Author: NABA
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 22 May 2013 at 9:09am

In Surah Al Ra'ad ch 13 v 11-Allah does not change the position of those people who themselves don't want to change,from this verse it is truly mentioned we ourselves are responsible for our own deeds,Allah sent those people to astray who themselves don't want to know the truth I.e truth about Islam(submitting the will to Allah).Surah Al Ankaboot ch 29 v 69-if U strive in the way of Allah,Allah will open pathways for U in heaven.yes,Allah has decided about birth and death,as mentioned in Surah Al Mulk ch 67 v 2-Allah has created life and death to test U.]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 09:09:07 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176166#176166 Interfaith Dialogue : Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men? http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25425&PID=176161#176161 Author: Experiential
Subject: Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?
Posted: 22 May 2013 at 4:25am

Hello Alter ego. Im confused that as you are a Christian you havnt worked through this stuff already? ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 04:25:16 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25425&PID=176161#176161 Interfaith Dialogue : Surah 14.4 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176150#176150 Author: bronaz
Subject: Surah 14.4
Posted: 21 May 2013 at 8:03pm

And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

The above is from Sura  14:4
My question is this...If Allah sends  someone Astray he is directing him  towards hell. We all have free choice...but  the will of God overrides  it  in some matters eg  life, death etc. When Allah predestines to lead someone  astray...he is setting him on a path to HELL. That would be unusual for a God to do..because the very purpose of a holy book is to guide people  to heaven.
]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 20:03:36 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25456&PID=176150#176150 Interfaith Dialogue : Quran http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24908&PID=176145#176145 Author: NABA
Subject: Quran
Posted: 21 May 2013 at 10:00am

Qur'an has no versions,it is one and the last revelation of Allah,there are many scientific facts mentioned in Qur'an 1400 years ago  ,which scientists today are discovering,example in Surah Al Furqaan ch 25 v 61-the moon has no light of its own,it reflects the light of sun,this fact was discovered by scientists many years after revelation of Qur'an,science has not developed yet to understand Quran

]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 10:00:01 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24908&PID=176145#176145 Interfaith Dialogue : Quran http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24908&PID=176122#176122 Author: Caringheart
Subject: Quran
Posted: 20 May 2013 at 8:58am

Originally posted by Empiricist

The Quran Dilemma book also discusses these same issues and was written by FORMER Muslim scholars.  Their agenda is to find the TRUTH.  There is only one.  Once you realize the fact that the Koran had many different versions, and that many Muslims disagreed on the content, and that Muhammed was not around to clarify and in fact wrote none of it, then you cannot say that it is 100% accurate or even holy.  So then it really is not any better than the Bible, and the Bible should be given more credibility, especially the words and works of Jesus.  Maybe they are true?  Maybe Muslims should heed his words, or at least study them and decide for yourself what is true.  We all have the ability to discern truth.  If you never read it you will never know it.  You cannot be sure of the Koran any  more than the bible, so you need to decide for yourself. 


My point exactly.  No one should ever dismiss something without reading it for themselves.  No one should simply take the word of another.
As it says in the Biblical scriptures;
'test the scriptures to see that they are true'
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
and, 'study to show thyself approved'

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

]]> Mon, 20 May 2013 08:58:13 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24908&PID=176122#176122 Interfaith Dialogue : Will anyone defend Islam? http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25164&PID=176121#176121 Author: abuayisha
Subject: Will anyone defend Islam?
Posted: 20 May 2013 at 6:43am

“Oyou who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allaah, eventhough it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin”

[al-Nisa’4:135] 

]]> Mon, 20 May 2013 06:43:24 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25164&PID=176121#176121 Interfaith Dialogue : PAUL http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24924&PID=176120#176120 Author: Placid
Subject: PAUL
Posted: 20 May 2013 at 4:31am

Hi,

The thing I like about the letters that Paul wrote to the Churches is that he wrote to the new Christians in simple language and emphasized the same to a Gentile audience that did not have much previous spiritual understanding --- as Jesus emphasized to the very religious Jews.

Jesus gave His disciples a new lifestyle to follow, when He said in John 13:
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
--- (Jesus said the new Commandment to Love God and love your neighbor as yourself, fulfilled the Old Testament Laws.)

And Paul says it simply in Romans 13:
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


Placid

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