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   <title>General Discussion : Mecca Super-Hotel</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=58927">Nur_Ilahi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Mecca Super-Hotel<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 6:40pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by martha</strong></em><br /><br />Nur,<br>THe Protocols are a proven fraud as abuayisha has already pointed out.</div><br>The Protocols of the Evil Dajjal Worshipping Zionists is not a fraud. When you read it, then you know. I would say 90 percent of this evil plan had already been achieved by them. Read it yourself and you will know. They even mentioned something like Christianity would be a failure.&nbsp; And how true it is now. <br><b><br>Protocol 9<br>CHRISTIAN YOUTH DESTROYED</b> <br><br>10. WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.<br><br>4:3 ……………….This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.<br><br><b>WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY</b><br>17:2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall act clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.<br>http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/protocols.htm<br><br><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by martha</strong></em><br /><br />And what is this book you refer to? Would so love to read it. Show me the voice of the Prophet stating the same then I will start to listen.</div><br>Martha,<br><br>I read the book on Makkah and Medina in my language before I went forHajj 2000. I could not recall the book, but scientifically, everythingis circumbulating in an anti-clockwise direction just like this earthcircumbulating the sun, just like the Muslims who circumbulate theKaabah. Perhaps this video may prove to you that the centre of theearth is indeed Makkah Almukarramah.<br><br>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3457123/the_miracle_of_kaaba/<br><br>One&nbsp; of the prophecies of our dear beloved Prophet Muhammadsalallahualaihiwassalam is the end times. In one of the famous hadiths- <br><br>"Then tell me about the Hour". He said: "The one questioned about itknows no better than the questioner." He said: "Then tell me about itssigns." He said: "That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistressand that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsmancompeting in constructing lofty buildings.<br><br>http://www.40hadith.com/40hadith_en.htm<br><br>Among the signs of the Hour mentioned in the hadith Sahih al-Bukhari is“when the destitute (al-buhm) camelherds compete in building tallstructures.” Another version in al-Bukhari has: “when the barefoot andthe naked are the top leaders (lit. “heads”) of the people.” In thehadith Sahih Muslim: “you shall see the barefoot, naked, indigent(al-`âla) shepherds compete in building tall structures.” Anotherversion in the hadith Muslim states: “when the naked and barefoot arethe top leaders of the people.” A third version in the hadith Muslimhas: “when you see that the barefoot and naked, the deaf and dumb arethe kings of the earth.”<br><br>http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=678582<br><br><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by martha</strong></em><br /><br />OK the zionists as you call them might lead people away, but I don't see the Saudi's encouraging the poor believers to attend the hajj. They will be held accountable for that too.</div><br>God is Al-Aleem, Most Knowing, He knows whether we can afford or not. We are not accounted for if we could not afford it as he Al-Adl - Most Just and Ar-Raheem - Most Merciful.&nbsp; As to the accountability of some the wealthy Saudis, indeed they have to answer to Allah for their heedlessnes. <br><br>However I would like to relate my experience when I was in Mecca. There were many trucks full of packet milk distributed to the pilgrims freely courtesy of the wealthy in Saudi. I guess we cannot tar them all with the same brush.<br><br>Subhanallah!<br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Nur_Ilahi - Today at 6:45pm</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Family Matter : How to be a Successful Muslim Wife</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=58927">Nur_Ilahi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> How to be a Successful Muslim Wife<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 4:24pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Hayfa</strong></em><br /><br />Nur: your husband likes to vacuum... mashallah<br><br>May all women be so blessed to have a husband who helps out.<br></div><br><br>I believe all human beings have their own speciality, strengths and weaknesses. <br><br>My husband loves the vacuum cleaner but at the same time he does not know how to cook. While my own brother loves to cook and always help his wife in the kitchen. <br><br>I have my own weaknesses, cooking is not my speciality. But where the education of my children is concerned, I take charge, while my husband leave that to me.<br><br>We husbands and wives should not compete but to complement each other. It will strengthen our marriage and of course giving and taking is a must in any marriage.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>General Discussion : Cultural Muslims???</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=61855">SteppeNomad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Cultural Muslims???<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 2:23pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gibbs</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><DIV><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">every culture should be proud of their history but also every human culture at least what is known in the history books should know of their dark history. Osman I didn't gain his empire through reason nor through simply convincing people. The Ottoman empire which was one of the greatest empires known to man with all its enriched histories of man being enlightened and all that it showed us, enslaved humans took kids away from their parents, and killed millions of people.<BR>Be proud of your culture but also acknowledge the things that can be changed (and challenged) within your culture.</FONT></FONT></div></div> </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><DIV>I think&nbsp;I explained that the bad things in culture are ignorance rather then the beautiful thing called culture.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Regarding killings, war was normal, and you dont hear Turks moaning about Mercenary/Slave Turks&nbsp; taken by the Byzantines/Europeans and Umayads/Mamluks...Again lets not get into a history to much, we can have a different thread for that.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Lets not get into a debate about history, <U>we are talking about Identity and cultural crises, why people try to be something they are not. Or why is hated so much by some.</U></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Thank you for keeping it relavant.</SPAN></DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>General Discussion : How to differentiate Swine Flu and Regular Flu</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=59028">Ron Webb</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> How to differentiate Swine Flu and Regular Flu<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 2:12pm<br /><br /><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gibbs</strong></em><br /><br />That's a silly suggestion. there are over 6 billion people in the world and avoiding people is simply silly unless you are in secluded area like the amazon.</div><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It's not silly at all.&nbsp; All other factors being equal, your risk of contracting the flu is roughly proportional to the number of people to whom you are exposed.&nbsp; If you are at high risk of complications from the flu (e.g. if you're asthmatic or pregnant), now is probably not a good time to be going to places or events like theatres or crowded shopping malls.&nbsp; (Or like churches or mosques, I would add.)&nbsp; I'm not saying become a hermit or anything, but it's definitely something to consider.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><div class="BBquote">Getting the swine vaccine is silly in my opinion because the regular flu statistically kills more people than the swine flu.</div></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And heart disease kills more than both.&nbsp; So what?&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><div class="BBquote">Besides there is no "vaccine" for the regular flu either as many know the virus changes all the time so the vaccine you get only protects you from the most common form not from th flu period.</div> </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>No, it's not 100% effective, only about&nbsp;70&nbsp;to 90% depending on the year.&nbsp; But again, why not reduce the risk as much as you can?&nbsp; Hypothetically, if you expect to suffer ten bouts of the flu over the course of your life without regular vaccinations, or one to three with it, why would anybody prefer the former?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I <EM>really</EM> don't understand you, Gibbs.&nbsp; I always thought you were a sensible guy. <img src="http://www.islamicity.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=52403">Hayfa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> How to differentiate Swine Flu and Regular Flu<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 1:49pm<br /><br />Gbbs... can you tell that Martha is joking? Of course its all silly.. we can be silly.&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=61566">Gibbs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Cultural Muslims???<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 1:30pm<br /><br />I personally don't think there is nothing wrong with being proud of your culture, but when you indoctrinate your kids, relatives, children with the exclusivist mentality that you should only be around those of similar culture e.g. marriage, friendship then you may cross those ethical boundaries of being proud of your own culture to being prejudice. Don't confuse proud and prejudice because you can be proud of the positive things in your culture and dislike some negative things in your culture. With prejudice you may justify both positive and negative things (assuming if there are negative things).<br><br>I disagree with your separation of ignorance and culture. If parents teach the generational belief that women are inferior e.g. must walk behind a man or must be silent when a man speaks then its not ignorance separate from culture but ignorance within the culture. Or if a family teaches children that their ethnic group or culture is superior and this has been going on for hundreds of years its not ignorance by itself but ignorance within the culture. when you are calling something ignorant its your mental capacity to elevate yourself above what is unethical.<br><br>Steppe you said:<br><br><div><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">"Im Turkish, I love myhistory, I love my peoples Nomadic past, I love the way they sweptacross&nbsp;Siberia and&nbsp;Central Asia&nbsp;into Europe, Persia,&nbsp;China, South Asia,Middle East etc, I love the difference in my peoples dresses, sounds,way of life."<br><br>every culture should be proud of their history but also every human culture at least what is known in the history books should know of their dark history. Osman I didn't gain his empire through reason nor through simply convincing people. The Ottoman empire which was one of the greatest empires known to man with all its enriched histories of man being enlightened and all that it showed us, enslaved humans took kids away from their parents, and killed millions of people.<br><br>Be proud of your culture but also acknowledge the things that can be changed (and challenged) within your culture.<br></font></font></div><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=61855">SteppeNomad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Cultural Muslims???<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 12:03pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Salam<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I wanted to share something with all of you. I dont know how many of you want to hear me out, but Insallah I know some real brothers without issues will understand what im trying to get at hopefully.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I am Muslim Alhamdulillah, Insallah die as such, but I wanted to talk about this issue of culture and identity. Yes ive been going on a lot about it lately, you must see it in a lot of my posts, because I see some people with serious issues of identity around me.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I want to ask these Muslims, who blame culture for all there miseries, why do you live? What exactly are you? or is it you just want to be an attention seeker and a ghost as and when it suits you?<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ive never understood this impression Muslim have, especially in the West among some converts and South Asians mainly by the looks of it, but generally speaking applies to most people here, I am not discriminating, just telling people what I think of my experience, you may disagree if you wish and please do contribute what you think.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Anyway, I know Islam is perfect, but by acknowledging, loving, keeping hold of my culture and identity, does that make me less of a Muslim? Am I doing something contrary to Islamic teachings? I am not claiming superiority over any race, nore am I claiming cultural superiority, however why is liking ones culture, history, past, grandfather such an issue for people? Especially Muslims of most the people.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Do not get me wrong, I am not endorsing nationalism or tribalism, but I think loving ones own is different from hating others who are different. As in, I think one can be happy with the community, land, country, social structure they belong to without having a slight feel of dislike to another.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I would like to ask these people who hate culture so much, and claim they want to be “Just Muslim”, do they never look at the Islamic history they are so proud of and see that even the greatest Muslims never gave there identity up? <O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Do these people think Islam came to destroy culture? Did the pervious Arabs, Persians, Turks, Berbers, Africans, South Asians etc give up there culture? I dont think so. </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I think they just gave up there ignorance, us Turks stopped building mountains of skulls every time we conquered our enemies. I dont know the exact ignorant practices that were among Arabs, Persians, Africans, South Asians, and dont want to say, so none of our brothers get offended, but am I wrong in saying, it was just the wrong practices, inhumane practices that were given up? And the beautiful culture we carried on endorsed and developed?<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Did Arabs reject poetry, the camel, story telling and trying to be something there not? Did Persians abandon there beautiful arts, culture, buildings and try be something there not? Did Turks abandon there lifestyle around warfare, horses and flags to try be something there not? Did the Chinese leave inventing and there lovely dresses? Did Africans or Asians give up there beautiful languages, colours and way of life? <O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Did Allah create us to be something we are not? Then why do we have people trying to be something they are not? Why do we have black trying to be white and white trying to be black, or brown and yellow etc. Were we made to be a boring monotone society with no differences and colour, with no different way of life, no different sounds, no different likes and tastes?<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Why cant people just be who they are instead of suffering serious identity issues, people who suffer and think they are something else because they know one or two words of that language, or they are 1/5 of whatever, be yourself! As Allah created you.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Am I against mixing and matching? No, I think it is amazing, we should mix and match both culturally and racially, through marriage etc. There are many such example countries, <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N w:st="&#111;n">Tunisia</ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N> and <ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N w:st="&#111;n">Egypt</ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N> spring to mind when I think of Arab/Turkish influence, even just the <ST1:PLACE w:st="&#111;n">Middle East</ST1:PLACE> is a big pool of Turkish, Arab, Persian culture and practices, mixed together. </P><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Im Turkish, I love my history, I love my peoples Nomadic past, I love the way they swept across&nbsp;Siberia and&nbsp;Central Asia&nbsp;into Europe, Persia,&nbsp;China, South Asia, Middle East etc, I love the difference in my peoples dresses, sounds, way of life. My people have had wars in every part of the world, we every peoples, do i hate them? No, most are now my brothers in Islam and Humanity, however will I give up my dresses, my language, culture and tastes? No, because Islam did not come to destroy such things, however will i give up ignorance then yes.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ive always like what ive seen of brothers from <ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N w:st="&#111;n">Malaysia</ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N> and <ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N w:st="&#111;n"><ST1:PLACE w:st="&#111;n">Indonesia</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGI&#111;N>, ive always admired the intellects Persians and south Asians have, the Arab lifestyle has always been appealing, even the “white man” has his own culture and should be proud of it. I might like these things and adapt and exchange what is good of it, but does is change what I am? No….<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Anyway long story short, cant people just be who they are? Instead of begging to be people they are not. Because your skin colour aint going to change, nore is your skull structure, nore is your fathers race is going to change overnight, nore are people going to call you what you are not behind closed doors. You are what Allah created you, be happy with it instead of begging off others and choosing yourselves masters.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Cant people just be good Muslims without rejecting there second identity? Dont you remember it was your "cultural" Muslim fathers and mothers who kept you away from drugs, gambling and harram? and your "cultural" leaders of the past who spread Islam throughout the world?<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I know the people who have identity crises wont understand this, dont expect them to, but at least refrain from pulling others your way.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-: EN-GB" lang=EN-GB><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Islam is perfect, Culture is beautiful and ignorance must be ridden of, but ignorance is not culture, its ignorance.</P><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Would like to know your views on this. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>May Allah protect us, and help us.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV></FONT></FONT></SPAN><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by SteppeNomad - Today at 12:16pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=61566">Gibbs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> How to differentiate Swine Flu and Regular Flu<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 11:33am<br /><br />That's a silly suggestion. there are over 6 billion people in the world and avoiding people is simply silly unless you are in secluded area like the amazon. Getting the swine vaccine is silly in my opinion because the regular flu statistically kills more people than the swine flu. Besides there is no "vaccine" for the regular flu either as many know the virus changes all the time so the vaccine you get only protects you from the most common form not from th flu period.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=61566">Gibbs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Mecca Super-Hotel<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 11:29am<br /><br />This seems like another attempt to blame the west. How long will you blame western culture for something that has been going on for centuries!?! Most human cultures build large towers to exalt themselves to the heavens and be equal to gods and God. This is not the western cultures fault. Most egostistical building designers want to get their monies worth by building a suitable structure that not only exalts their employer but also beats out their competition.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=59028">Ron Webb</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Muhammad as a partner with Allah<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2009 at 11:19am<br /><br /><P><div class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Meditations</strong></em><br /><br />This is a quite interesting paragraph, where you started it with "clearly satan is not a partner" and ended it with "satan does seem to be a partner of sorts"</div></P><P>I am aware of the contradiction.&nbsp; Satan is an adversary against God in the struggle for men's souls, but in some ways he is a partner as well (e.g., it is sometimes said that good cannot exist without evil).</P><P><div class="BBquote">The clear question is <BR>Does satan being immortal (by your definition) make him a partner to God ?</div></P><P>I don't know, and I don't care.&nbsp; I think the case can be made as I said above, but it's not my argument and I don't want to digress any more than we already are.</P><P><div class="BBquote">I recommend you read what the Qur'an tells us about some of those who thought so, read for instance the stories of namroud ( the king that challenged Abraham (PBUH), pharaoh who challenged Moses (PBUH)<BR>Both thought they were gods, thought they have such strength, <BR>namroud thought he could give life and death</div></P><P>And what was their chief motivation and criterion for being gods?&nbsp; It gave them power and authority, of course.</P><P><div class="BBquote">and it's not only in ancient times that people thought so , even today, in modern days<BR>We see some doctors / surgeons who think they have the power to save or take away life</div></P><P>And they do, but that doesn't make them gods.&nbsp; Still, you do have a point: perhaps in ancient times healers might have been seen as "partners" in sharing God's power.</P><P><div class="BBquote">Answering your 'setting up partners' I gave you this list : </P><P>We were warned against<BR>directing an act of worship to a creature<BR>believing that a creature has any knowledge, might or power by himself<BR>believing that a creature can effectively challenge the will of God, separate from the will of God<BR>believing that a creature can sustain itself without the need of God</div></P><P>All of the above seem to be aspects of power and authority, don't they?&nbsp; Worship is an appeal to another's power.&nbsp; Challenge implies one's own power.&nbsp; Autonomy is power over one's own existence.&nbsp; They all have in common the assertion that God does not share His power and authority with anyone.&nbsp; Not even with Muhammad, presumably.</P><P><BR><div class="BBquote">One of the basics of a Prophet is to have a prophecies, which is knowing the unseen<BR>This doesn't make Him knower of 'ALL' the unseen</div></P><P>Exactly, which is why I keep saying that only that which has been revealed by God (the Quran) should be followed.</P><P><div class="BBquote">But His mercy can not be compared with God's mercy, which is the source of every mercy in the universe. For God is the Most Merciful, not Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) , no muslim thinks otherwise.</div></P><P>Really?&nbsp; Can you give me an example, either historical or hypothetical, where Muhammad might have been less merciful than God?</P><P><div class="BBquote">you need to define what you mean by holy first, this word has different meanings according to whom it's attributed to</div></P><P>No, <em>you</em> need to define it, because it is one of the criteria you offered to explain what "setting up partners" means.</P><P><div class="BBquote">Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is faithful, today over one billion muslims are faithful as well, following the sense you're implying would mean we think of over a billion partner to God, which is obviously not the case</div></P><P>No, obviously not.&nbsp; Hence your criterion does not make sense.&nbsp; (I won't bother responding to the rest of the criteria, because I think you get my drift.)</P><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>P.S.: Mansoor_ali,&nbsp;I think my response to Meditations covers some of what you said, but I will respond to you in more detail later.&nbsp; Right now, Allah has dumped a bunch of leaves in my back yard that need to be raked. <img src="http://www.islamicity.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />]]>
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