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Originally posted by Pati

Originally posted by saima100

Thanks for your answer.All i can say is that i dont feel guilty nor do i feel sad.I only feel relieved as if he had not said this himself i would have always wondered what is wrong between us.But i pity him and i feel very very sorry or him.I start crying when i think of his situation.I have never seen someone is so much pain and someone who hates himself so much.Never have i seen anyone in so much self disgust and never have i seen anyone who has not been able to accept himself to this extent.He is perfectionist to the level which is unbelievable.He is so hard towards his own self that one can only feel pity for such a person.He is willing to do literally anything to have someone in his life and to have children.I remember him saying ''inshallah'' atleast twice in every sentence and saying again and again that Allah cant be so cruel.Everything is going to be ok for us in future. It all reminds me of so many others around me who are in my family or friends.How mean at heart they are and still they have everything.I really dont understand how could God be so unfair to him.Why doesnt he help him.I dont think he would contact me after i leave him.As his ex wife tried to remain in touch with him but he didnt want her to contact him atall.But she at times still does send him sms to support him.May God give me strength to hurt this person.

Excuse me, but God is not UNFAIR, only human being we are.

God knows the best, and knows what we need, but sometimes, we are not able to understand him. If I were you, I would try to point the situation at men, not at God. God didn't do anything, it was your boyfriend who did everythin, who cheated his ex-wife and tried to cheat you, because he is not confused but hiding himself. Is God guilty for that? Sorry, but I cannot see God in that story you have been explaining to us. I can see human feelings, human sins, and I can say that this things happens daily in this world, but... where is God?

If we were thinking about God in every moment of this life, and about what He told us to do or to avoid, and we followed His teachings (doesn't matter which religion), this World would be almost perfect. The problem is that we are so far away from God, even if we read Qu'ran or Bible, we are not able to understand, even if we prayed daily thousand times, we don't feel it, we just do it. We don't feel God, we are so selfish...

So please, don't blame God like if He did anything bad to your boyfriend. I am sure that God tried to help him thousand times, and actually I am sure that you came to his life as a chance for him, but obviously he didn't understand the message.

Regards

Patricia

Yes Pati, you are exactly right. As humans we blame everyone for our faults including Allah sometimes. Saima's boyfriend has become so wrapped up in his self doubts that he also tries to bring others down to his level perhaps, to ease his feelings of shame and desperation.

We can only hope and pray that he puts complete trust in Allah to enable him to seek help from the right people instead of expecting others to make his life right for him.

It is sad and I am sure we have all seen people like him.

Saima, you are not alone with feeling the way you do. People come into our life so we learn. Do not try to hate him, just feel sadness for him but now move on. DO not be like his ex-wife who still tries to assist him. Until he looks into his own heart without making excuses no-one can help him. In no way are you to blame. Try to remember that.]]> Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:33:02 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15578&PID=135282#135282 Islamic Arts & Literatures : What happened to those days when my Eeman was ---- http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15842&PID=135281#135281 Author: seekshidayath
Subject: What happened to those days when my Eeman was ----
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 8:39pm

As Salamu Alaikum WRWB

Here's a beautiful poem.

What happened to those days when my Emaan was strong?
When I wouldn't dare think of doing anything wrong

When my yaqeen in Allah(swt) would lead me through
The good and bad .. the old and new

What happened to those days when my du'aa was sincere?
When there was absolutely nothing on earth that I would fear

When I was certain that Allah(swt) was really near
And would run to Him and leave all that is dear

What happened to those days when I could read and recite Quraan well?
When I bought al-Janna and this dunya I would sell

When my heart was pure and all full of light
When my qiyam was my only source of strength and might

What's wrong my nafs .. why did you fall?
Don't you know that Allah(swt) knows and hears your call?

A little test like this one shouldn't beat you so
It shouldn't pull you down to a level so low

Don't you know that Allah(swt) chooses what is best
And that this is all a previously planned test

Don't you know that He(swt) hears your soul .. He(swt) hears your cry
He(swt) sees you fall… He(swt) sees you sigh

Allah(swt) is Great… Allah(swt) is Al-Hakeem
His ways are just no matter how dark it may seem

Hold on my nafs to the fireball in your palm
Hold on to it and when it burns act calm

Whenever it falls, bend down and restart
Let those tears fall and wipe that heart

Remember my nafs the beauty of the promised firdaus
You know it's your dream to build there a house

Get back on your feet and go back to those days
I know this only a passing phase ..
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?(55:16)

]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:39:49 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15842&PID=135281#135281 Islamic INTRAfaith Dialogue : Recognize HIM http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15652&PID=135280#135280 Author: Full of Hopes
Subject: Recognize HIM
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 8:26pm

wa alikum asslam
Umar is the one u mean, but the story isn't like this exactly. I will type it all after 7hours insha' Allah. I am here now just to say it s not the exact story.]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:26:47 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15652&PID=135280#135280 General Discussion : Israeli Confessions http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15780&PID=135279#135279 Author: Sign*Reader
Subject: Israeli Confessions
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:14pm

Originally posted by xenophon

America has become the vassal state of Israel. Google---and subscribe to---Information Clearing House. It's probably the best alternative news source out there. A number of its articles document how the America Israel Political Action Committee recruitsd and sometimes pays a small army of people to seed the media with an unremitting pro-Israel message. I believe Israel has a right to exist, but not in the way they're doing it now. I habve been accused of being anti-american in this forum. That is---in part---because Capitol Hill is "Israeli occupied territory." Money from Jewish voters exercises a stranglehold over U.S. politics. The self-censoring American media simply falls into step.

Let me make it simple for you all...there is no such thing as anti American any more...So many people (including the Chinese) are telling them the truth but they are tone deaf they don't want to hear it...The Zionist money changers(The Federal Reserve) have gotten the spendthrift Americans cornered through credit system at individual and also at the governmental level...The Palestinian issue is too minor as compared to the American's own future...The Zionist money changers, investment bankers and corporation have sold the fat, dumb and happy American's unionized jobs to the diligent Chinese slave labor...It is the Americans themselves who are the most anti Americans who didn't want want to see what their own kind were doing to them...It was a well thought out Liberalism mouth piece Zionists media circus that has kept the beg borrow and steal economy that has no fix in the cards(just look at the current meltdown)

Never in the history of nations industry any technology was so easily transferred to an enemy(China being a communist regime) state as the American corporations have done in the Chinese case with express collusion of the politicians starting with Nixon/Kissinger visit on down...
It seems the Marxism has won the day and new China is it...And you have Marxist in White House...
Muslims left the practice of Islam and they are paying the price for violating the specifications of Quran and sunnah for being ignorant and lazy in this part of the world... that was always a target of the European invaders then they conspired against the Ottomans to loose it all...The zionist movement didn't start overnight it took the almost five generation from Herzl's plan to get to create Israel...What were the local people doing or thinking... A good part of the world was already under the European colonial boots so what was going on... Can someone answer that?
Muslims emperors and kings and other lords lost their sovereignty for being fat, dumb and happy and now it is American's turn...Enjoy the circus...

Edited by Sign*Reader - Yesterday at 7:28pm]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:14:54 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15780&PID=135279#135279 Interfaith Dialogue : Bible Compared to Quran (very important to know) http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15541&PID=135278#135278 Author: JOUBERAR
Subject: Bible Compared to Quran (very important to know)
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 6:50pm

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

To JOUBERAR

He quoted so-called contradictions in the Quran.I am not going in detail to response all of them because all these so-called contradictions have been answered by many muslims web sites.I will touch only 1 which he quoted here.

JOUBERAR quoted the following "contradiction" in the Quran:

2:37
Adam learned the words of inspiration from Allah. Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131 says Abraham was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims.

My Response:

I am quoting with the help of this source

The Quran refers to every messenger as the first believer among his people. This is quite logical since the messenger is the first to receive the message. Muhammad is spoken of as the first Muslim/Believer among his people, since the revelation came to him before all others.

When we read the story of Moses in Sura 7, we read how he refered to himself as the first of the believers. Obviously Moses did not mean that he is the first believer of all time, but what he meant is that he was the first to believe from among his own people:

"When Moses came at our appointed time, and his Lord spoke with him, he said, "My Lord, let me look and see You." He said, "You cannot see Me. Look at that mountain; if it stays in its place, then you can see Me." Then, his Lord manifested Himself to the mountain, and this caused it to crumble. Moses fell unconscious. When he came to, he said, "Be You glorified. I repent to You, and I am the first of the believers." 7:143

So what about Biblical contradiction?

I will quote only 1 contradiction and let us see what is his response?

Read Mark 5(21-43) and Matthew 9(18-26) side by side to note their differene.

In Mark Jarius says his daughter IS DYING (so, she is still alive). Only later do some men from Jairus' home inform him that his daughter has died. But in Matthew Jairus says to Jesus (peace be upon him) that his daughter is ALREADY DEAD. The two are not the same.

In Mark Jarius requests Jesus (peace be upon him) to HEAL his daughter. But in Matthew there is no mention of 'healing' since the daughter is ALREADY DEAD and, therefore, she only needs to be brought back to life so she can live.

I am waiting for your reply.

This in comparison to the bible is a complete lie.

2:131 Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."
2:132 And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."
2:133 Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam)."
This just show you Allah of the muslims is not the God of the bible.

6:14 Say: "Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed." Say: "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah."

This is also a lie it is not the same as the bible.

7:143 When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."

But then who was the first muslim.

26:46 Then did the sorcerers fall down, prostrate in adoration,
26:47 Saying: "We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,
26:48 "The Lord of Moses and Aaron."
26:49 Said (Pharaoh): "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? surely he is your leader, who has taught you sorcery! but soon shall ye know!
26:50 "Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross!"
26:51 They said: "No matter! for us, we shall but return to our Lord!

Jesus did in fact brought back life again read on and in fact here she already died if can read the this you say is contradiction what is so crucial if someone is about to die is gonna die in anyway.

Mar 5:22 The person in charge of the Jewish meeting place was also there. His name was Jairus, and when he saw Jesus, he went over to him. He knelt at Jesus' feet
Mar 5:23 and started begging him for help. He said, "My daughter is about to die! Please come and touch her, so she will get well and live."

Mar 5:35 While Jesus was still speaking, some men came from Jairus' home and said, "Your daughter has died! Why bother the teacher anymore?"

Mar 5:36 Jesus heard what they said, and he said to Jairus, "Don't worry. Just have faith!"

Mar 5:37 Jesus did not let anyone go with him except Peter and the two brothers, James and John.

Mar 5:38 They went home with Jairus and saw the people crying and making a lot of noise.

Mar 5:39 Then Jesus went inside and said to them, "Why are you crying and carrying on like this? The child isn't dead. She is just asleep."

Mar 5:40 But the people laughed at him. After Jesus had sent them all out of the house, he took the girl's father and mother and his three disciples and went to where she was.

Mar 5:41 He took the twelve-year-old girl by the hand and said, "Talitha, koum!" which means, "Little girl, get up!" The girl got right up and started walking around. Everyone was greatly surprised.

Mar 5:42 (SEE 5:41)

Mar 5:43 But Jesus ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened. Then he said, "Give her something to eat."

]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:50:36 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15541&PID=135278#135278 General Discussion : A woman who spoke from the Quraan for forty years http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15838&PID=135277#135277 Author: Sign*Reader
Subject: A woman who spoke from the Quraan for forty years
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 6:04pm

Thanks for this fascinating story!]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:04:06 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15838&PID=135277#135277 General Discussion : Story Of The Pearl Necklace http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15839&PID=135276#135276 Author: Sign*Reader
Subject: Story Of The Pearl Necklace
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 5:48pm

Interesting story but BTW am curious about the Qazi's travel route to Cordoba through Jeddah when there was no Suez Canal!

Edited by Sign*Reader - Yesterday at 5:49pm]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:48:41 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15839&PID=135276#135276 Groups – Women (Sisters) : MARRIAGE http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15578&PID=135274#135274 Author: Pati
Subject: MARRIAGE
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 5:32pm

Excuse me, but God is not UNFAIR, only human being we are.

Regards

Patricia

]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:32:17 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15578&PID=135274#135274 Introduction: Who am I? : Hi http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15790&PID=135273#135273 Author: Taqwa
Subject: Hi
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 4:44pm

I dont think it is that they dont like this country. I was born and raised here. In fact, my ancestors on my mom's side were on the Mayflower so my family goes back before this was a country.

What we don't like is the government policies - the selfishness, the control the Israeli lobbyists and other special interests have at the expense of the common people. I hate this and am not ashamed to say it!

]]> Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:36 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15790&PID=135273#135273 Family Matter : Please Pray for me http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15730&PID=135272#135272 Author: seekshidayath
Subject: Please Pray for me
Posted: 20 November 2009 at 4:37pm

Walaikum Salam,

Glad to know you are from Hyderabad. You follow my blog, right! I was wondering ki yeh koun hai !!! Very happy to know you.
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