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Subject: 24750
Posted: 05 May 2013 at 12:31am

Originally posted by honeto

So the bottom line is that Jesus was a man, a prophet, a beloved of God.
Even some parts of present versions of the Bible describe him as a servant of God, who served and worshiped God. Only God do not worship anyone, nor call anyone "my God" like Jesus did.
Hasan

The bottom line is Christ Jesus The Messiah was a man who had the complete fullness of God The Son within him. Christ Jesus The Messiah was the ‘Sonship” of God.

 

God The Son does not mean he was a ‘son’ in the same sense of ‘daughter or son’ but rather the creating and inheriting aspect of God made human.

 

God The Son became man so man (and woman) could become ‘sons of God’. You also can become one with God as a son of God.

 

You say “Even some parts of present versions of the Bible describe him as a servant of God, who served and worshiped God. “

Please name those versions and the verses you are thinking of.

]]> Sun, 05 May 2013 00:31:29 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175856#175856 JESUS; I AM A MAN : So the bottom line is that Jesus... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175778#175778 Author: honeto
Subject: 24750
Posted: 30 April 2013 at 11:56am

So the bottom line is that Jesus was a man, a prophet, a beloved of God.
Even some parts of present versions of the Bible describe him as a servant of God, who served and worshiped God. Only God do not worship anyone, nor call anyone "my God" like Jesus did.
Hasan]]> Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:56:20 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175778#175778 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175504#175504 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 21 April 2013 at 5:42am

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

psalm 110 is a royal psalm, if you know what that is. Get more information about the Psalms before you reply.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">A Royal Psalm. Yes that’s correct, a Royal Psalm about the Messiah, not David.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">As Ive pointed out to you a few times now, David never judged the nations or crushed the rulers of the whole earth<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>–


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Psalm 110:6


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">This is obviously work of The Messiah, not David.

it is a royal psalm about David written by David.
And this is what you said on 28 July. I am quoting you -
"This Psalm was not recited by David but by somebody else about David."
]]> Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:42:31 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175504#175504 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175484#175484 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 20 April 2013 at 12:34am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

psalm 110 is a royal psalm, if you know what that is. Get more information about the Psalms before you reply.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">A Royal Psalm. Yes that’s correct, a Royal Psalm about the Messiah, not David.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">As Ive pointed out to you a few times now, David never judged the nations or crushed the rulers of the whole earth<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>–


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Psalm 110:6


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">This is obviously work of The Messiah, not David.

it is a royal psalm about David written by David.]]> Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:34:19 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175484#175484 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175474#175474 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 19 April 2013 at 3:35pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

David wrote it. Look up 'royal psalm'
And back in your post dated 28 July you said David didn't write it ?????

Edited by Experiential - 19 April 2013 at 3:37pm]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:59 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175474#175474 JESUS; I AM A MAN : David wrote it. Look up &#039;royal... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175445#175445 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 17 April 2013 at 11:43pm

David wrote it. Look up 'royal psalm'

Edited by Mahdi The Seeke - 17 April 2013 at 11:44pm]]> Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:43:46 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175445#175445 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175436#175436 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 17 April 2013 at 3:41pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The LORD has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.” At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of his wrath, Who judges nations, heaps up corpses, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high his head. * [Psalm 110> A royal Psalm in which a court singer recites three oracles in which God assures the king that his enemies are conquered (Ps 110:1–2), makes the king “son” in traditional adoption language (Ps 110:3), gives priestly status to the king and promises to be with him in future military ventures (Ps 110:4–7). Psalm 110 is about David.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Then why would David say The LORD says to my lord ?


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Also David was not even a priest in the manner of Levi (who was the ancestor of the Jewish priesthood) let a lone a priest in manner of Melchizedek

the firt LORD is God and the second David. This Psalm was not recited by David but by somebody else about David. God made David a priest in order of Melchizedek, who says being a levite is a requirement.

Firstly according to the Bible itself, Psalm 110 is a psalm of David, beginning –

“a Psalm of David”. Not a Psalm of  ‘somebody else’.

 

Secondly look how it reads The Lord says to  MY Lord … so how can David refer to himself as Lord when he says MY Lord ?

 

Thirdly commentators agree David wrote this Psalm and it was probably composed by David after the Prophet Nathan's prophesy. 2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17.

 

Fourthly, Isa himself (PBUH) in the Injil said David wrote it and what’s more, Jews of Isas day also believed David wrote it.-

"And as Jesus taught in the temple, he said, ‘How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, "The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet." David himself calls him Lord. So how is he his son?’ And the great throng heard him gladly." Mark 12:35-36

Isa is more qualified than you on this subject.

 

Fifth point being Ahimelech and Abiathar were actually the High Priests during the time of David. See Numbers 27.21.and I Samuel 21.1-6. Also Ira the Jairite was David's personal priest 2 Samuel 20:26. David was not in a priestly role.

 

You state God made David a priest in order of Melchizedek. However David never fulfilled the role of a priest. Not in the line of Levi or Melchizedek.

David was a King yes, but priest no.

 

You ask who says being a Levite priest was a requirement? Well God actually! 

See Numbers 3.12 -13.

 

]]> Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:41:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175436#175436 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175435#175435 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 17 April 2013 at 3:40pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

psalm 110 is a royal psalm, if you know what that is. Get more information about the Psalms before you reply.

A Royal Psalm. Yes that’s correct, a Royal Psalm about the Messiah, not David.

As Ive pointed out to you a few times now, David never judged the nations or crushed the rulers of the whole earth  –

 

He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.  Psalm 110:6

 

This is obviously work of The Messiah, not David.

]]> Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:40:30 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175435#175435 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175434#175434 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 17 April 2013 at 3:39pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

funny how you have to invent 'prophetic tense' to make the Bible make sense.

No invention about it. As stated there is no such thing as tense in Hebrew grammar. In reality Hebrew verbs do not take past, present and future forms.

 

Here are some other examples of prophetic tense in the Tanak (Old Testament) for you-

 

Jeremiah 23:2, Amos 5:2, Isaiah 5:13, Isaiah 10:28-32, Isaiah 5:13, Isaiah 10:28-32, Jeremiah 4:23-26, Jeremiah 4:27-28 and Jeremiah 48:4

]]> Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:39:19 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175434#175434 JESUS; I AM A MAN : funny how you have to invent &#039;prophetic... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175358#175358 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 13 April 2013 at 4:28am

funny how you have to invent 'prophetic tense' to make the Bible make sense.]]> Sat, 13 Apr 2013 04:28:56 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175358#175358 JESUS; I AM A MAN : funny how you have to invent &#039;prophetic&#039;... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175357#175357 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 13 April 2013 at 4:28am

funny how you have to invent 'prophetic' tense to make the Bible make sense.]]> Sat, 13 Apr 2013 04:28:06 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175357#175357 JESUS; I AM A MAN : psalm 110 is a royal psalm, if... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175356#175356 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 13 April 2013 at 3:54am

psalm 110 is a royal psalm, if you know what that is. Get more information about the Psalms before you reply.]]> Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:54:28 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175356#175356 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175355#175355 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 13 April 2013 at 3:48am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The LORD has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.” At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of his wrath, Who judges nations, heaps up corpses, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high his head. * [Psalm 110> A royal Psalm in which a court singer recites three oracles in which God assures the king that his enemies are conquered (Ps 110:1–2), makes the king “son” in traditional adoption language (Ps 110:3), gives priestly status to the king and promises to be with him in future military ventures (Ps 110:4–7). Psalm 110 is about David.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Then why would David say The LORD says to my lord ?


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Also David was not even a priest in the manner of Levi (who was the ancestor of the Jewish priesthood) let a lone a priest in manner of Melchizedek

the firt LORD is God and the second David. This Psalm was not recited by David but by somebody else about David. God made David a priest in order of Melchizedek, who says being a levite is a requirement. ]]> Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:48:18 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175355#175355 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Mahdi Said Did you read the footnote? My... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175286#175286 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 09 April 2013 at 10:17pm

Mahdi Said

Did you read the footnote?

My Reply

Im not interested in footnotes. Im interested in what the scriptures have to say.

 

Mahdi Said

past tense is past tense.

My Reply

Timeless prophetic utterance is timeless prophetic utterance.



Edited by Experiential - 09 April 2013 at 10:17pm]]> Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:17:08 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175286#175286 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175241#175241 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 07 April 2013 at 10:14am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

About Isaiah 52 and 53, whatever is in past tense cannot be taken as prophecy.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You don’t understand how prophetic utterances work.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">In Hebrew when something was absolutely going to happen in the future, it is often spoken of as if it had already occurred in the past.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Hebrew scholars are familiar with this idiom and refer to it as “the prophetic perfect,” “the historic sense of prophecy,” and the “perfective of confidence.”


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">A couple of other examples are -


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">In Genesis 6, God told Noah to build the ark. After telling him how to build it, the Hebrew text reads that God said, “And you have come into the ark.” The ark was not even built at that time.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The prophetic perfect in Genesis 6:18 makes it clear that Noah would absolutely enter the ark.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">In Numbers 21:34. When <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on">Israel</st1:country-region> was coming out of the wilderness, Og, the king of <st1:place w:st="on">Bashan</st1:place>, and his army came out to fight them. God wanted to assure Moses that <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> would win the battle, so He said, “Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you”.

past tense is past tense.]]> Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:14:51 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175241#175241 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175240#175240 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 07 April 2013 at 10:09am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The LORD has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.” At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of his wrath, Who judges nations, heaps up corpses, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high his head. * [Psalm 110> A royal Psalm in which a court singer recites three oracles in which God assures the king that his enemies are conquered (Ps 110:1–2), makes the king “son” in traditional adoption language (Ps 110:3), gives priestly status to the king and promises to be with him in future military ventures (Ps 110:4–7). Psalm 110 is about David.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Then why would David say The LORD says to my lord ?


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Also David was not even a priest in the manner of Levi (who was the ancestor of the Jewish priesthood) let a lone a priest in manner of Melchizedek

Did you read the footnote?

Edited by Mahdi The Seeke - 07 April 2013 at 10:12am]]> Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:09:22 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175240#175240 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175231#175231 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 06 April 2013 at 8:10pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

About Isaiah 52 and 53, whatever is in past tense cannot be taken as prophecy.

You don’t understand how prophetic utterances work.

In Hebrew when something was absolutely going to happen in the future, it is often spoken of as if it had already occurred in the past.

Hebrew scholars are familiar with this idiom and refer to it as “the prophetic perfect,” “the historic sense of prophecy,” and the “perfective of confidence.”

 

A couple of other examples are -

 

In Genesis 6, God told Noah to build the ark. After telling him how to build it, the Hebrew text reads that God said, “And you have come into the ark.” The ark was not even built at that time.

The prophetic perfect in Genesis 6:18 makes it clear that Noah would absolutely enter the ark.

 

In Numbers 21:34. When Israel was coming out of the wilderness, Og, the king of Bashan, and his army came out to fight them. God wanted to assure Moses that Israel would win the battle, so He said, “Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you”.

]]> Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:10:34 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175231#175231 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175230#175230 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 06 April 2013 at 8:09pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The LORD has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.” At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of his wrath, Who judges nations, heaps up corpses, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high his head. * [Psalm 110> A royal Psalm in which a court singer recites three oracles in which God assures the king that his enemies are conquered (Ps 110:1–2), makes the king “son” in traditional adoption language (Ps 110:3), gives priestly status to the king and promises to be with him in future military ventures (Ps 110:4–7).

Psalm 110 is about David.

Then why would David say The LORD says to my lord ?

Also David was not even a priest in the manner of Levi (who was the ancestor of the Jewish priesthood) let a lone a priest in manner of Melchizedek

]]> Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:09:15 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175230#175230 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175229#175229 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 06 April 2013 at 8:08pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Psalm 2:Why do the nations conspire [a] 1 and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth rise up 2 and the rulers band together against the LORD and against his anointed, saying,
“Let us break their chains 3 and throw off their shackles.” The One enthroned in heaven
laughs; 4 the Lord scoffs at them.
He rebukes them in his anger 5 and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
“I have installed my king 6 on Zion, my holy mountain.” He said to me, “You are my
son; today I have become your father.
Ask me, 8 and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.
You will break them with a
rod of iron; 9 you will dash them to pieces like pottery.” Therefore, you kings, be wise; 10 be warned, you rulers of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear 11 and celebrate his rule with trembling.
Kiss his son, or he will be
angry 12 and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a
moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Obviously, this passageis about David at a time nations were plotting against him, so he told them how he was the son of God and had been assured victory over all nations by God if he asked therefore his enemies are better off as his allies or face the wrath of God.

David never had the nations as his inheritance or the ends of the earth as his possession. (verse 8).

Its obviously not about David. Jesus fulfills this passage in ways David never came close to fulfilling.

]]> Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:08:16 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175229#175229 JESUS; I AM A MAN : About Isaiah 52 and 53, whatever... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175037#175037 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 26 March 2013 at 3:58am

About Isaiah 52 and 53, whatever is in past tense cannot be taken as prophecy.]]> Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:58:19 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175037#175037 JESUS; I AM A MAN : PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175036#175036 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 26 March 2013 at 3:32am

PSALMS, CHAPTER 110 A psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The LORD has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.” At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of his wrath, Who judges nations, heaps up corpses, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high his head. * [Psalm 110> A royal Psalm in which a court singer recites three oracles in which God assures the king that his enemies are conquered (Ps 110:1–2), makes the king “son” in traditional adoption language (Ps 110:3), gives priestly status to the king and promises to be with him in future military ventures (Ps 110:4–7).

Psalm 110 is about David.

Edited by Mahdi The Seeke - 26 March 2013 at 3:33am]]> Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:32:26 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175036#175036 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Psalm 2:Why do the nations conspire... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175035#175035 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 26 March 2013 at 2:58am

Psalm 2:Why do the nations conspire [a] 1 and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth rise up 2 and the rulers band together against the LORD and against his anointed, saying,
“Let us break their chains 3 and throw off their shackles.” The One enthroned in heaven
laughs; 4 the Lord scoffs at them.
He rebukes them in his anger 5 and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
“I have installed my king 6 on Zion, my holy mountain.” He said to me, “You are my
son; today I have become your father.
Ask me, 8 and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.
You will break them with a
rod of iron; 9 you will dash them to pieces like pottery.” Therefore, you kings, be wise; 10 be warned, you rulers of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear 11 and celebrate his rule with trembling.
Kiss his son, or he will be
angry 12 and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a
moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Obviously, this passageis about David at a time nations were plotting against him, so he told them how he was the son of God and had been assured victory over all nations by God if he asked therefore his enemies are better off as his allies or face the wrath of God.]]> Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:58:03 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=175035#175035 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Mahdi Said unless monogenes in... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174810#174810 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 10 March 2013 at 10:29pm

Mahdi Said

unless monogenes in greek =begotten in english, it is a mistranslation.

My Reply

This is not mistranslation. Its just that English and Greek are not comparable languages.

 

Mahdi Said

besides, David is also the 'begotten' son of God.

Psalm 2:7 . King James Version (KJV)

 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

My Reply

Its obviously not about David. Nor any other ancient Jewish King for that matter. Jesus fulfills this passage in ways David, Solomon, Jehoshaphat, Hezekiah, and particularly Ahab, never came close to fulfilling.

Which ancient Jewish King received the entire world as his inheritance?

 

David never had the nations as his inheritance or the ends of the earth as his possession. (verse 8)

Also Jesus (and the Jews of his day) as documented in the Ijil disagree with you. In Mathew 22.44 answered similar questions for the Jews as you are asking. Jesus quoted Psalm 110.

 

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think you of Christ? Whose son is he? They say to him, The son of David. He said to them, How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool?

If David then calls him Lord, how is he his son?

And no man was able to answer him a word, neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Mathew 22.44

 

 

Mahdi Said

Monogenes (μονογενὴς) The expression itself is a combination of two words, monos (meaning only) and genes ("kind" or "type." ) the phrase then means "unique" or "one of a kind."

therefore, monogenes does not mean begotten. 'unique son' or 'one and only son' would be accurate in john 3:16

My Reply

You are defeating your own argument. You are confirming what Ive said all along about the Greek word monogenes (meaning only) and genes ("kind" or "type”). Christ Jesus The Messiah was The ‘Only’ and ‘Type.’

However you want to confuse it, it still amounts to the same thing.

 

And yes the word yalad (ילד) means begotten.  But again looking at Psalm 2 and the history of Israel, which ancient Jewish King received the entire world as his inheritance or possession apart from Christ Jesus the Messiah?

 

If your point is to prove that Christ Jesus was not unique or of ‘One of a kind’ how do you explain Psalm 110 which as it reads makes it clear that there is One that is unique?

Psalm 110 supports and provides context to Psalm 2.

 

Psalm 110 makes it clear The Messiah would be a priest like Melchizedek (not from Levi whom the Jewish priests descended from). He would be a priest for all nations, not just Israel. He would be a king-priest, combining two offices. His reign would be without beginning and without end.

 

Isaiah 52 and 53 also provide support and context to Psalm 2 in One which is unique, One of a kind. More than just a human being or ‘son’ of God.

You haven’t refuted my quoting of Isaiah except to say it is ‘past tense’ – which I have adequately responded to.

 

 

 

 

]]> Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:29:48 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174810#174810 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174764#174764 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 08 March 2013 at 1:18am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You forget the Injil was written in Greek. “Begotten” is an English word from the Greek <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“monogenēs”, which means –

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">single of its kind, only

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God.

so, mistranslation. tell your Bible translators to do a better job next time.

No. you need to do a better job of understanding the Bible.
Do you read Arabic ?
unless monogenes in greek =begotten in english, it is a mistranslation.

besides, David is also the 'begotten' son of God.
Psalm 2:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

monogenes(μονογενὴς)The expression itself is a combination of two words, monos (meaning only) and genes ("kind" or "type." )the phrase then means "unique" or "one of a kind."

therefore, monogenes does not mean begotten. 'unique son' or 'one and only son' would be accurate in john 3:16


the hebrew word used in psalm 2:7 is yalad (ילד) which actually means begotten.

Edited by Mahdi The Seeke - 08 March 2013 at 2:44am]]> Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:18:33 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174764#174764 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174739#174739 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 07 March 2013 at 1:56am

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You forget the Injil was written in Greek. “Begotten” is an English word from the Greek <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“monogenēs”, which means –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">single of its kind, only


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God.

so, mistranslation. tell your Bible translators to do a better job next time.
No. you need to do a better job of understanding the Bible.
Do you read Arabic ?

Edited by Experiential - 07 March 2013 at 1:57am]]> Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:56:56 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174739#174739 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential&lt;P... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174736#174736 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 06 March 2013 at 1:24pm

Originally posted by Experiential

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You forget the Injil was written in Greek. “Begotten” is an English word from the Greek <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“monogenēs”, which means –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">single of its kind, only


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God.

so, mistranslation. tell your Bible translators to do a better job next time.]]> Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:24:46 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174736#174736 JESUS; I AM A MAN : You forget the Injil was written... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174712#174712 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 05 March 2013 at 1:08pm

You forget the Injil was written in Greek. “Begotten” is an English word from the Greek  “monogenēs”, which means –

 

single of its kind, only

a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)

b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God.

]]> Tue, 05 Mar 2013 13:08:46 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174712#174712 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174693#174693 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 04 March 2013 at 10:43pm

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

1. what does begotten mean? 2. then do not use the word God loosely. we are either Gods or we are not. choose one.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Hi Mahdi.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Begotten means – single of its kind; only.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> W</o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">e are ‘like’ gods.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


Adj.     1.     begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child"
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; "biological child"


be·get
/biˈget/
Verb
(typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) Bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

Synonyms
generate - breed - procreate - engender - father

]]> Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:43:58 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174693#174693 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174644#174644 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 02 March 2013 at 3:28pm

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Originally posted by Experiential

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.


I don't find the creation of Jesus unique. If you want to compare, the creation of Adam was more unique.

Indeed Allah Our Creator is The Greatest. Allahuakbar!

Yes the creation of Adam (and Eve) was special. As was the creation of the universe, animals and life itself.

 

However Gods Spirit becoming man to redeem man is ultimate.

]]> Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:28:28 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174644#174644 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174643#174643 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 02 March 2013 at 3:27pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

1. what does begotten mean?
2. then do not use the word God loosely. we are either Gods or we are not. choose one.

Hi Mahdi.

Begotten means – single of its kind; only.

 We are ‘like’ gods.

 

 

]]> Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:27:07 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174643#174643 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Rational Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174636#174636 Author: Webber
Subject: 24750
Posted: 02 March 2013 at 2:05pm

Originally posted by Rational

Originally posted by Webber

Originally posted by Rational

Let's not forget the creation of Eve. That was also unique.

Indeed Allah is the Greatest. SubhanAllah

And they've been ribbbing men ever since.


Not sure what you mean. Eve had no father or mother. Do you mean to say that Eve is not unique in the way she was created? I might be missunderstanding.
 
Sorry, ribbing, an expression that means teasing, annoying, etc, as in a poke in the ribs kinda thing.
]]> Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:05:06 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174636#174636 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174627#174627 Author: Rational
Subject: 24750
Posted: 02 March 2013 at 4:45am

Originally posted by Webber

Originally posted by Rational

Let's not forget the creation of Eve. That was also unique.

Indeed Allah is the Greatest. SubhanAllah

And they've been ribbbing men ever since.


Not sure what you mean. Eve had no father or mother. Do you mean to say that Eve is not unique in the way she was created? I might be missunderstanding.


Edited by Rational - 02 March 2013 at 4:48am]]> Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:45:24 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174627#174627 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by RationalLet&#039;s... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174624#174624 Author: Webber
Subject: 24750
Posted: 01 March 2013 at 6:34pm

Originally posted by Rational

Let's not forget the creation of Eve. That was also unique.

Indeed Allah is the Greatest. SubhanAllah
And they've been ribbbing men ever since.]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:34:06 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174624#174624 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Let&#039;s not forget the creation... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174623#174623 Author: Rational
Subject: 24750
Posted: 01 March 2013 at 5:55pm

Let's not forget the creation of Eve. That was also unique.

Indeed Allah is the Greatest. SubhanAllah

Edited by Rational - 01 March 2013 at 6:11pm]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:55:59 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174623#174623 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by ExperientialJesus... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174598#174598 Author: Nur_Ilahi
Subject: 24750
Posted: 28 February 2013 at 6:54pm

Originally posted by Experiential

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.


I don't find the creation of Jesus unique. If you want to compare, the creation of Adam was more unique.

Indeed Allah Our Creator is The Greatest. Allahuakbar!

]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:54:02 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174598#174598 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174581#174581 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 28 February 2013 at 10:04am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

1. what does begotten mean?
2. then do not use the word God loosely. we are either Gods or we are not. choose one.]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:04:40 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174581#174581 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Mahdi The... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174577#174577 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 27 February 2013 at 8:17pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes.
i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.

No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:17:19 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174577#174577 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by ExperientialYes.... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174548#174548 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 26 February 2013 at 9:55am

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes.
i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.]]> Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:55:25 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174548#174548 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Yes. Edited by Experiential -... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174516#174516 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 25 February 2013 at 12:43am

Yes.

Edited by Experiential - 25 February 2013 at 12:44am]]> Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:43:49 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174516#174516 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Originally posted by Experiential&lt;P... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174483#174483 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 23 February 2013 at 1:56pm

Originally posted by Experiential

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Hello Mahdi


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Luke 2:52


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 8:24 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 8:58 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 10:30-33 <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">- Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 14:6-7 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 20:28 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Colossians<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>1:19. <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p></o:p> 


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">4.Matt. 14:33 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" <o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">5.Matt. 28:9 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p>


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">6.John 9:35-38 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you."<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p>


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">7.Heb. 1:6 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"<o:p></o:p>


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God.


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">If you read<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> John 10:34<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?<o:p></o:p>


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6


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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><o:p></o:p>


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we are all 'gods' then.]]> Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:56:33 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174483#174483 JESUS; I AM A MAN : Hello Mahdi Yes. Jesus was a... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174445#174445 Author: Experiential
Subject: 24750
Posted: 21 February 2013 at 9:54pm

Hello Mahdi

Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness.

And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

Luke 2:52

 

There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example –

 

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

 

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

 

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

 

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

 

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

 

Colossians  1:19. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.

 

 

Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example –

 

4.Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"

 

5.Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them.  And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."

 

6.John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"  36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"  37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you."  38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."

 

7.Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

 

 

What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God.

 

The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man.

If you read John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

 

Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6

 

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' 

 

]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:54:45 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=174445#174445 JESUS; I AM A MAN : John 8:40 New International Version... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=173503#173503 Author: Mahdi The Seeke
Subject: 24750
Posted: 30 January 2013 at 3:07am

John 8:40
New International Version (NIV)
40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me,A MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.]]> Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:07:52 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24750&PID=173503#173503