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Subject: 24576
Posted: 10 January 2013 at 2:42pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

Salaam Alaikum Abu Lorence and Nausheen. Thank you so much for your input. My question has been answered.
]]> Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:42:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172550#172550 Question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam : Originally posted by TG12345 Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172536#172536 Author: Nausheen
Subject: 24576
Posted: 10 January 2013 at 5:40am

Originally posted by TG12345

This is correct. Firaun was the king of Egypt and an Egyptian.

I dont have a reference on top of my head, but where it is mentioned that musa alaihe salam killed the egyptian, it says that he was a non Egyptian.

He was an isreali and at the time he was born firaun had ordered the killing of isreali male infants. That is how he ended up in a box in the river, who was saved by Queen of Egypt (Asiya) the wife of firaun.

Im sorry for references, because the story of musa alaihe salam is spread over several chapters. But if you are too particular, may be I should dive into - but it may take some time.

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Subject: 24576
Posted: 10 January 2013 at 12:06am

Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

Yes Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was a an Israelite as he was taken from his mother in order to save him and put into the household of the Pharoah who was an Egyptian. Same as the Christians and Jews believe.

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Subject: 24576
Posted: 09 January 2013 at 2:52pm

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, SalaamKhan, nothing and Abu Loren.

From what I have read from your responses and from the Quran and Ibn Kathir's commentary, it seems to me that Islam (like Christianity) teaches that Moses was an Israelite and Pharaoh was an Egyptian. Would that be a correct statement?

Shukran.
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Subject: 24576
Posted: 09 January 2013 at 1:39am

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

Moreover, Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an that a Prophet is sent to his own people, therefore, Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) cannot be an Egyptian. He is also associated with leading the children of Israel.

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Subject: 24576
Posted: 08 January 2013 at 3:01am

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:01:30 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172424#172424 Question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam : Originally posted by nothing If... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172419#172419 Author: Abu Loren
Subject: 24576
Posted: 08 January 2013 at 2:28am

Originally posted by nothing

If I am not mistaken:
Allah treats Musa as an Egyptian,
but Musa himself bias where he inclined to the Israelite,
Yet Pharaoh (the new one) reminded Musa that he was one of them once upon a time.
In the end Musa given up the Israelite.
And in the end he was alone, stateless, raceless.

Please don't ask me for sources, that would all over the place.

You are mistaken!

If you go and re-read the Holy Qur'an then you will know that Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was adopted by the wife of Pharoah as her own after finding him in the river. You will find the story of Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) very similar to that in the Bible. Therefore, the story if Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) has not been corrupted too much in the Bible.

To answer TG12345's question, Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was a Jew who was adopted by Pharoah and the had to flee after killing an Egyptian. Then at the age of forty he was chosen by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala as a Prophet of God (God spoke to him directly). Then he was sent back to Egypt with his brother Prophet Harun (Alayhi Salaam) to free thier people who were in bondage.

Read the Holy Qur'an from beginning to end and you will find their story.

By the way, the reason his brother Prophet Harun (Alayhi Salaam) was sent also is because we are told that Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) had a speech impediment.

]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:28:58 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172419#172419 Question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam : Originally posted by nothing If... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172406#172406 Author: TG12345
Subject: 24576
Posted: 07 January 2013 at 8:03pm

An interesting interpretation, nothing. Is this from the Quran and hadiths? Can you show Islam teaches this?

Were Musa's people Israelites or Egyptians? Shukran.
]]> Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:03:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172406#172406 Question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam : If I am not mistaken: Allah... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172405#172405 Author: nothing
Subject: 24576
Posted: 07 January 2013 at 8:01pm

If I am not mistaken:
Allah treats Musa as an Egyptian,
but Musa himself bias where he inclined to the Israelite,
Yet Pharaoh (the new one) reminded Musa that he was one of them once upon a time.
In the end Musa given up the Israelite.
And in the end he was alone, stateless, raceless.

Please don't ask me for sources, that would all over the place.

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Subject: 24576
Posted: 06 January 2013 at 1:09pm

Originally posted by islamispeace

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

The Quran relates:

"And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying: "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! see ye not then?" (43:51)

This verse refers to Pharaoh as the ruler of Egypt and the Egyptians as his people.

Thanks, Islamispeace. Just a follow-up question, for the purpose of learning and not debating... on this thread at least. Smile

Was Moses according to Islam also an Egyptian, or was he an Israelite?

Salaam.

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Subject: 24576
Posted: 06 January 2013 at 11:53am

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

The Quran relates:

"And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying: "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! see ye not then?" (43:51)

This verse refers to Pharaoh as the ruler of Egypt and the Egyptians as his people.
]]> Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:53:33 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172355#172355 Question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam : Salaam Alaikum.I have a question... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24576&PID=172242#172242 Author: TG12345
Subject: 24576
Posted: 03 January 2013 at 6:43am

Salaam Alaikum.

I have a question about Moses and Pharaoh in Islam.

Does Islam teach the nationality of Moses and of Pharaoh? As a Christian, I believe that Moses was an Israelite, and that Pharaoh was an Egyptian.

What does Islam teach on this matter?

If I am not mistaken, Moses was one of the Banu Israil, which is a racial, not religious, term for the Jewish people. If I am wrong, please accept my apologies and correct me. Was Pharaoh also one of the children of Israel? Or was he an Egyptian?

Can you please provide documentation from the Quran or authentic hadith in your answer?

I am just asking to find out, not to debate. I am sure many people, probably including a fair share of Christians, have told you this in the past... and then did the exact opposite. Please believe me, though. Smile

I am definitely into debate, but take it into other sections of this forum, I will not do so in this section and definitely not on this thread. I am just curious.

Thanks.

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