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Subject: 23397
Posted: 11 August 2012 at 10:49am

Caringheart,
I find no fault with Jesus neither (may God's peace be upon him) no wonder. God chose him to be a teacher, a prophet. Jesus served his Lord and his purpose, he was grateful to his God and never lost trust that God is incharge always.
What people attribute to him wrongfully, without proof or authority is something they will be held accountable and pay for one day.
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 11 August 2012 at 10:53am]]> Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:49:03 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166604#166604 God of Abraham and his children : Hi Hasan,I checked out the link... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166439#166439 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 07 August 2012 at 3:06pm

Hi Hasan,
I checked out the link you shared and looked at several of the articles.
I have read these things before when I began my research.
What you don't know is that my quest began as a search for the truth, or untruth, of Jesus.
No matter which way I turn I always come back to finding Him to be true. Smile
I can find no fault with Jesus.


Edited by Caringheart - 07 August 2012 at 3:09pm]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:06:41 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166439#166439 God of Abraham and his children : Caringheart, we as Muslims believe... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166431#166431 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 07 August 2012 at 11:41am

Caringheart,
we as Muslims believe the same about God, and of Jesus differing on one point above, the crucifixion of Jesus.

I just will add, we both agree there is One God, God of Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Mohammed (pbut) and God of us All, but you have no proof that God is three in one (in a Trinity). Also you have no proof without contradiction that Jesus was god.
May Allah grant this BR. Ahmed Deedat mercy and Paradise, I admire his knowledge and conviction, let us see what he says of crucifixion. Please copy and paste this in your browser.
http://www.bookofsigns.org/2010/04/was-jesus-christ-pbuh-really-crucified/

Hasan


Edited by honeto - 07 August 2012 at 11:44am]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166431#166431 God of Abraham and his children : Hasan,For me, the only definitive... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166304#166304 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 04 August 2012 at 4:37pm

Hasan,

For me, the only definitive proof we have of God are the miracles, life and teaching(parables), prophesy, and crucifixion of Jesus(as documented by the Romans, who had no religious investment in the support of a 'Jesus' story).
All others could easily say, and believe, they speak for God, but we have no proof of it.]]> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:37:03 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166304#166304 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Caringheart Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166293#166293 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 04 August 2012 at 8:01am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew.
It is true that our intention may be same to serve God.
A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book.
Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded.
Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong.
Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran,
there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him.


You dismiss, or forget, or do not know of?  ... Sikhism which worships one God.
Heart

Do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly?  Do we notbelong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin?
Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?
 
Caringheart,
no I did not. Read my post again please. I said "  and Muslims, and off shoots thereof"
If you did not know, Sikhism was based on Islamic teachings mixed with others.
Do we not serve same God?
That dependes how each one does it.
It can be said, we all have same God, one and only Creator.
But how people serve and worship is a different story depending how they do it.
For example when a fire worshiper worships fire thinking that it God that he/she is worshiping, there seems to be a problem simply beause God is not fire. How that person got into doing that? Did that person has a proof that God is fire or that God has told him to do so?
Same way, if a person makes a statue of say a cow or a man that lived and once walked around and start to adore it, kiss it, think of it as holy, humbling, bowing and finally praying in front of it, it is what it looks like, idol worship. Has God apporved of it? where? Has God disapproved of it, read my previous posts there are quotes. If you don't find them let me know I will post them for you again.
When you worship an idol, a work of human hand, looks like any living creature or imaginary creature, it is idol worship. Even if you repeat a million times that it is not idol worship, you still will be wrong.
Hasan
 
Hasan 
]]> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:01:16 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166293#166293 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by honetofunny... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166261#166261 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 03 August 2012 at 4:54pm

Originally posted by honeto

funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew.
It is true that our intention may be same to serve God.
A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book.
Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded.
Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong.
Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran,
there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him.


You dismiss, or forget, or do not know of?  ... Sikhism which worships one God.
Heart

Do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly?  Do we notbelong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin?
Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?


Edited by Caringheart - 03 August 2012 at 4:57pm]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:54:32 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166261#166261 God of Abraham and his children : funny thing is Christian say Jesus... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166168#166168 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 01 August 2012 at 5:06pm

funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew.
It is true that our intention may be same to serve God.
A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book.
Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded.
Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong.
Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran,
there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him.

Edited by honeto - 02 August 2012 at 8:15pm]]> Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:06:36 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=166168#166168 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by honetoI... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165965#165965 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 27 July 2012 at 7:07pm

Originally posted by honeto


I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other.

Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets.

Hasan


Is it possible that messengers have come as they were needed, to bring the message in the form that it was needed, at the time that it was needed?
Moses for the Jews
Jesus for the gentiles
Muhammad for the Arabs

each having their own purpose?
Regardless of how you look at it we are all believers in what we believe is the same God.  You believe your God is the same as my God do you not?  So then, do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly?  Do we not belong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin?
Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?
]]> Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:07:14 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165965#165965 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by tom007 do... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165964#165964 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 27 July 2012 at 6:52pm

Originally posted by tom007

do u want a muslim super power in this world -


This is what is objectionable in your belief.(you personally)
Self serving, self-seeking.
If you want to serve God, serve God, but it does not serve God to pit his people one against another... this only serves the purposes of the devil, which is to destroy all of God's creation.
Think about who you are serving.

If we are all serving God what does it matter whether we are Muslim or Christian or Jew?  We should only want to serve God in love.  Pitting yourself against another does nothing to save God's creation.
]]> Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:52:22 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165964#165964 God of Abraham and his children : Dawa for muslims - to help... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165928#165928 Author: tom007
Subject: 23397
Posted: 26 July 2012 at 10:45pm

Dawa for muslims - to help spread islam in china - the world next super power!! do u want a muslim super power in this world - CHINA -help to spread islam in china!
Currently, chinese-muslim population is fixed for the last 30 year in china. the christian population has grown 1000 fold - and increasing... mainly rich christian countries and charirties are spending annually 100s of billions into china to convert into christianity....
Muslims must do the same - copy our christian brothers - give china a second religious option to choose from...
Do some things similar to christians - PECEFULLY spread islam in china - print millions of chinese-koran and distribute to every village in china, build mosques and give money to poor and ask for convert to islam, build large mosque in large city to attract influntial people, hire 1000s of muslin missionary worker to go door to door, in parks, etc - to talk about islam and give out the koran -
]]> Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:45:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165928#165928 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Caringheart Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165904#165904 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 26 July 2012 at 2:14pm

Originally posted by Caringheart




Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto


You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?


Caringheart,
I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details).

You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why?

Hasan

 
Hello Hasan,I am a little behind in my replies.  I hope that you are doing well.I do not know how much God will be pleased with them.  "Do I have the mind of God?" (from Job)  It is for God to judge.  I say that they, according to their belief, are doing what they think they must to be pleasing to God so who can fault them; just as Muslims are doing what they feel they must in order to be pleasing to God and I only find fault with them when they, by their teaching, condone killing others for the sole purpose that they do not share their beliefs.  Let God do the punishing... it is only for Him to do.I will always stand by, that it is only for God to judge the heart... only God can know what pleases Him.  If anyone is misguided God will judge on the day of judgement.  It is not for man to know or decide.If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus is wrong, then the Jews are right and God is pleased with them.If Jesus is the correct way to God, then the Jews, and the Muslims, are in error, and God will not accept them into heaven.But only God knows all Truth.Salaam [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />
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Caringheart,
I answered what I believe to be my understanding based on what God has revealed.
If any reject God's beloved prophets, whom God sent for a specific purpose does not please God. If they (the prophets) were not needed, or their arrival with the word of God was of not much importance, and without purpose, why would God send them then anyway and give them His word?
I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other.
If we try to understand the scripture we find verses that actually support the fact I just described above. Jesus (pbuh) for example is quoted to have said:
John 15:22
"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin."
This is what Jesus is quoted to have said of Jews in the Bible:
Matthew 23: 29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Are you saying that this is not what Jesus really meant?

Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets.

Hasan


Edited by honeto - 26 July 2012 at 2:21pm]]> Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:14:48 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165904#165904 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Nausheenneither... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165882#165882 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 25 July 2012 at 3:01pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God.
 
If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.
 
Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted!
 
The important matter however is not weather my christian neighbour or my Jew co-work is pleasing God or not. The matter is rather, is God pleased with me or not - this should be of prime concern to me!
 


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Subject: 23397
Posted: 25 July 2012 at 12:35am

neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God.
 
If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.
 
Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted!
 
The important matter however is not weather my christian neighbour or my Jew co-work is pleasing God or not. The matter is rather, is God pleased with me or not - this should be of prime concern to me!
 


Edited by Nausheen - 25 July 2012 at 12:36am]]> Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:35:16 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165846#165846 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by honeto Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165800#165800 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 23 July 2012 at 8:06pm

Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto




You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?
Caringheart,
I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details).
You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why?
Hasan
 


Hello Hasan,
I am a little behind in my replies.  I hope that you are doing well.

I do not know how much God will be pleased with them.  "Do I have the mind of God?" (from Job)  It is for God to judge.  I say that they, according to their belief, are doing what they think they must to be pleasing to God so who can fault them; just as Muslims are doing what they feel they must in order to be pleasing to God and I only find fault with them when they, by their teaching, condone killing others for the sole purpose that they do not share their beliefs.  Let God do the punishing... it is only for Him to do.

I will always stand by, that it is only for God to judge the heart... only God can know what pleases Him.  If anyone is misguided God will judge on the day of judgement.  It is not for man to know or decide.

If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus is wrong, then the Jews are right and God is pleased with them.
If Jesus is the correct way to God, then the Jews, and the Muslims, are in error, and God will not accept them into heaven.
But only God knows all Truth.
Salaam Smile


Edited by Caringheart - 23 July 2012 at 8:10pm]]> Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:06:36 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165800#165800 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Caringheart Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165607#165607 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 18 July 2012 at 4:46pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto




You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?
Caringheart,
I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details).
You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why?
Hasan
 


Edited by honeto - 18 July 2012 at 4:48pm]]> Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:46:38 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165607#165607 God of Abraham and his children : Caringheart I do not wish to engage... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165547#165547 Author: aka2x2
Subject: 23397
Posted: 16 July 2012 at 9:58pm

Caringheart
I do not wish to engage you regarding the Palestinians. The information is available in documentaries from BBC, PBS, CNN, TIME, etc, etc. I am satisfied that anyone who does not know the atrocities happening there simply does not wish to know.
I am well aware that Jewish people and Catholics are not allowed to marry outside of their faith. I have no idea what that has to do with Islam. Quran is clear on this issue and there are many many practicing Muslims who are married to God fearing Non-Muslims.]]> Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:58:37 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165547#165547 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by honetoYou... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165546#165546 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 16 July 2012 at 8:56pm

Originally posted by honeto




You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?
]]> Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:56:01 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165546#165546 God of Abraham and his children : Caringheart,after giving your... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165533#165533 Author: honeto
Subject: 23397
Posted: 16 July 2012 at 4:23pm

Caringheart,
after giving your question some thought here is my take on your question.
Since everything a Muslim strive for in this life is seeking pleasure of God Almighty and not to displease Him.
 
Let us remember that Jews rejected two of God's beloved prophets, Prophet Jesus and Prophet Mohammed (pbut). Anyone that rejects God's messangers and books certainly do not please God Almighty. And the one who does not please God Almighty cannot be a "brother" in God's sight to those who's lives revolves around seeking God's pleasure and believe in all of His messangers and books.
I personally have friends who are Jews just like I have friends who are Christians or Hindus.
We certainly have other bonds with each other, brotherhood of humanity may be!
Hasan
]]> Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:23:45 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165533#165533 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by CaringheartI... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165405#165405 Author: abjad
Subject: 23397
Posted: 13 July 2012 at 10:28am

Originally posted by Caringheart

I would like to hear from one Muslim that can view a Jew as a brother...

and if not then tell me why not...
if both serve the God of Abraham...
 

asalaam aleykum

me too would like to hear from one Jew can view a Muslim as brother

and if not then tell me why not..
if both believe in One God.
]]> Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:28:55 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165405#165405 God of Abraham and his children : can you please tell me a few things.What... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165292#165292 Author: iec786
Subject: 23397
Posted: 09 July 2012 at 11:06pm

can you please tell me a few things.

What do you perceive these terrible conditions are,
trees being burned illegal occupation,killing of small children for no reason,stealing and contaminating water A true Apartheid state, controlling access.



and what oppression you know of?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11859


 
In my estimation all who live in the state of Israel live in terrible conditions because of constant warring.  These cnditons affect all and it was not the people of Israel that began the war as far as all my research and study reveals.
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=53132

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story1913.html

  As far as oppression I am unaware of the exact conditions in Israel and wonder how you come by your information.



http://www.palestineremembered.com/index.html
What is the source?  Do you know or speak with anyone that is in Israel?  This I what I am seeking, first hand information.  Just as in court hearsay is not allowed.  I think we need not to be making judgements when we live on one side of the world and not in the place of conflict.  I'm not saying that is what you have done... many do however.   So I am interested to know on what you base your information.  I try to give consideration to all sources.  Smile</span>
Originally posted by aka2x2

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This came as a great surprise to me.  So is it possible that Islam is practiced differently in different places, just as Christianity has conformed to different cultures as it spread around the world, and took varied forms?
 
I was certain that I had read... in one of the Hadith's maybe... that conversion was absolutely necessary for the marriage to be allowed.
The Catholic church requires both parties to the marriage to be Catholic in order to wed in the church, and to have the marriage recognized by the church.  So conversion is necessary to be married in the church if one of the parties is not a Catholic.  I don't know if it is this same with all forms of Christianity.
 
Thanks and blessings,
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[/QUOTE] ]]> Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:06:27 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165292#165292 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by aka2x2 Those... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165269#165269 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 09 July 2012 at 4:27pm

Originally posted by aka2x2

 Those who remain in Israel live under terrible conditions. Until andunless these oppressed people and their refugees are given a just and enduringsolutions, hostilities in the region will continue.

Hi.  Thank you.  Your reply is interesting.

For the purpose of my edification... can you please tell me a few things.

What do you perceive these terrible conditions are, and what oppression you know of? 
In my estimation all who live in the state of Israel live in terrible conditions because of constant warring.  These cnditons affect all and it was not the people of Israel that began the war as far as all my research and study reveals.  As far as oppression I am unaware of the exact conditions in Israel and wonder how you come by your information.
What is the source?  Do you know or speak with anyone that is in Israel?  This I what I am seeking, first hand information.  Just as in court hearsay is not allowed.  I think we need not to be making judgements when we live on one side of the world and not in the place of conflict.  I'm not saying that is what you have done... many do however.   So I am interested to know on what you base your information.  I try to give consideration to all sources.  Smile
Originally posted by aka2x2

Finally, I mustpoint out that it is not necessary or mandatory for a Christian or Jewish womanto convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. She may do so withoutconverting. Personally I know many such couples.

 
This came as a great surprise to me.  So is it possible that Islam is practiced differently in different places, just as Christianity has conformed to different cultures as it spread around the world, and took varied forms?
 
I was certain that I had read... in one of the Hadith's maybe... that conversion was absolutely necessary for the marriage to be allowed.
The Catholic church requires both parties to the marriage to be Catholic in order to wed in the church, and to have the marriage recognized by the church.  So conversion is necessary to be married in the church if one of the parties is not a Catholic.  I don't know if it is this same with all forms of Christianity.
 
Thanks and blessings,
SmileHeart
]]> Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:27:57 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165269#165269 God of Abraham and his children : &#034;I am wanting to... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165244#165244 Author: aka2x2
Subject: 23397
Posted: 08 July 2012 at 2:12pm

"I amwanting to know if a Muslim may be friends with a person who retains theirJewish faith and belief"

The answer isabsolutely YES... Not only this is in accordance with Islam but also it is thenorm in all Muslim communities. In fact, there are sizeable Jewish minoritiesliving in many Muslim countries. I have had many Jewish friends and I continueto do so. The issue of the Zionist state (Israel) is another matter. Zionistshave made millions of Muslims and Christians homeless and taken over theirland. Those who remain in Israel live under terrible conditions. Until andunless these oppressed people and their refugees are given a just and enduringsolutions, hostilities in the region will continue.

Finally, I mustpoint out that it is not necessary or mandatory for a Christian or Jewish womanto convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. She may do so withoutconverting. Personally I know many such couples.

]]> Sun, 08 Jul 2012 14:12:38 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165244#165244 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Nausheen There... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165146#165146 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 04 July 2012 at 11:02pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

 There is a lot of wisdom in the differences that we see between people - customs, norms ettiquetttes etc ... just realized this recently thru a personal experience.
 
I love that.
That is how I have always felt.
Everyone brings something special to the world that adds, as they say, flavor.  I look at the time of cooperation during the Byzantine era and what that accomplished.  When many can come together in cooperation wisdom grows.  Smile
I do think we need to choose people who share values, but people can share the same values even though they have different faiths.  I believe those who belong to God need only stand out as different from the world and that can only be judged on an individual basis.
Blessings,
Caringheart
]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2012 23:02:25 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165146#165146 God of Abraham and his children : &gt;&gt;So can a Muslim... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165133#165133 Author: Nausheen
Subject: 23397
Posted: 04 July 2012 at 7:51am

>>So can a Muslim woman marry a Jewish man if he converts to Islam?<<
 
Ofcourse
 

>>I'm confused about your answer where you say I don't know... You said you had a Jewish friend, no?<<
 
Yes, i briefly came to know someone who was a Jew. But do not have any contact since quite sometime. However all our interactions were on a friendly note, would still want to refer to him as a friend.
 
>> What I want to know is if it is something that can be accepted in the Islamic community.<<
 
Are you concerned about the twosome of Jews and Muslims in particular or you want to know if Muslims befriend any who is a non-muslim.
Like anyone else, Muslims maintain different friend circles. They may include non-muslims as friends, depends on how well they click with eachother.
 
>>Too many Muslims I have spoken with have too much animosity towards the Jews... towards a people that I see as having so much in common with their arab Muslim cousins that I think it is a shame they are not friends.
<<
 
My guess is, it could be due to the political unrest in Palestine. Personally I have not had a chance to meet too many jews.
My own take on humanity is that we are all created on same basic nature, we feel the same kinds of pain and become happy due to similar circumstances. We fall in love, get angry, feel joy and have all kinds of emotions irrespective of our race, religion, geography etc.
 
In the Quran Allah has said that He created all of humanity from a single person, then spread in various lands, [ie we have many differences amongst eachother]  - so that we know eachother. There is a lot of wisdom in the differences that we see between people - customs, norms ettiquetttes etc ... just realized this recently thru a personal experience.
 
 
 
 


Edited by Nausheen - 04 July 2012 at 7:52am]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:51:13 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165133#165133 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Nausheen Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165115#165115 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 03 July 2012 at 9:50pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Nausheen

Muslims are allowed to take a wife who is jewish.
 
Not sure if any of our board members have a jewish wife, but there was one brother some time back.
 
Will that count in your estimation :p ?


Thanks for your response.

But to marry, the woman has to convert to Islam, is that not correct?  And if I understand, while a Muslim man can take a wife of another faith as long as they convert to Islam, the same is not available to Muslim women... Is my understanding of that correct?
 
yes that is true.
 
I've heard its the same in Jewish faith as well. For a woman to marry non-jew, he must first become Jew, or she will be considered an apostate and her children will no longer remain Jew.
A Jewish friend told me :)


Originally posted by Caringheart

I am wanting to know if a Muslim may be friends with a person who retains their Jewish faith and belief.
 
I dont know. What is wrong with that?


So can a Muslim woman marry a Jewish man if he converts to Islam?

I'm confused about your answer where you say I don't know... You said you had a Jewish friend, no?
and as far as I'm concerned there is nothing at all wrong with it.  What I want to know is if it is something that can be accepted in the Islamic community.  Too many Muslims I have spoken with have too much animosity towards the Jews... towards a people that I see as having so much in common with their arab Muslim cousins that I think it is a shame they are not friends.
]]> Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:50:49 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165115#165115 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by NausheenChapter... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165114#165114 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 03 July 2012 at 9:42pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

Chapter 2 verse 177:
 
Yusuf Ali
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.


This is precisely the teaching that has been in the Bible for thousands of years.  Smile
]]> Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:42:29 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165114#165114 God of Abraham and his children : Chapter 2 verse 177: Yusuf... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165104#165104 Author: Nausheen
Subject: 23397
Posted: 03 July 2012 at 12:20am

Chapter 2 verse 177:
 
Yusuf Ali
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
]]> Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:20:19 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165104#165104 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Caringheart Originally... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165103#165103 Author: Nausheen
Subject: 23397
Posted: 03 July 2012 at 12:10am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Nausheen

Muslims are allowed to take a wife who is jewish.
 
Not sure if any of our board members have a jewish wife, but there was one brother some time back.
 
Will that count in your estimation :p ?


Thanks for your response.

But to marry, the woman has to convert to Islam, is that not correct?  And if I understand, while a Muslim man can take a wife of another faith as long as they convert to Islam, the same is not available to Muslim women... Is my understanding of that correct?
 
yes that is true.
 
I've heard its the same in Jewish faith as well. For a woman to marry non-jew, he must first become Jew, or she will be considered an apostate and her children will no longer remain Jew.
A Jewish friend told me :)


Originally posted by Caringheart

I am wanting to know if a Muslim may be friends with a person who retains their Jewish faith and belief.
 
I dont know. What is wrong with that?
]]> Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:10:28 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165103#165103 God of Abraham and his children : Keep in mind here; &#039;...in... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165043#165043 Author: abuayisha
Subject: 23397
Posted: 01 July 2012 at 7:25am

Keep in mind here; '...in the sight of God..', however if you're asking if Charles Manson and Mother Teresa would elicit different treatment from me personally, the answer is yes.  Wa alaikum salaam!]]> Sun, 01 Jul 2012 07:25:12 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165043#165043 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by abuayishaThat... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165038#165038 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 7:28pm

Originally posted by abuayisha

That mankind is one brotherhood and the best of us in the sight of God is he who is most righteous.



This raises two questions to my mind;
Who is he that is most righteous?  What makes a man most righteous in the sight of God?
and,
Is he who is less righteous still considered, and treated, as a brother... all one in the Creation of God?

Asalamu aleykum

(I hope I got that salutation correct  :-))
]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:28:25 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165038#165038 God of Abraham and his children : That mankind is one brotherhood... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165034#165034 Author: abuayisha
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 6:08pm

That mankind is one brotherhood and the best of us in the sight of God is he who is most righteous.

]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:08:35 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165034#165034 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by abuayishaFrom... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165029#165029 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 3:45pm

Originally posted by abuayisha

From the Quran

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).



"We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes"
I believe this,

but what does this scripture from the qur'an mean exactly, (to you)?
]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:45:38 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165029#165029 God of Abraham and his children : Originally posted by Nausheen Muslims... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165027#165027 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 3:39pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

Muslims are allowed to take a wife who is jewish.
 
Not sure if any of our board members have a jewish wife, but there was one brother some time back.
 
Will that count in your estimation :p ?


Thanks for your response.

But to marry, the woman has to convert to Islam, is that not correct?  And if I understand, while a Muslim man can take a wife of another faith as long as they convert to Islam, the same is not available to Muslim women... Is my understanding of that correct?


I am wanting to know if a Muslim may be friends with a person who retains their Jewish faith and belief.
]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:39:53 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165027#165027 God of Abraham and his children : As&#039;alaamu AlaikkumThe... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165024#165024 Author: Abu Loren
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 9:21am

As'alaamu Alaikkum
 
The Jews are indeed brothers of Muslims, this replationship goes back to Prophet Ibrahim (AS). Simply put, the Jews are descended from Prophet Ish'haq and the muslims from Prophet Ish'mael. However, Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has cursed the Jews because they have corrupted the book of Prophet Musa (AS) and they have deviated from His religion. Presently I believe the enmity and hatred stems from the Palestine issue and it is wholly political.
]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:21:05 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165024#165024 God of Abraham and his children : From the Quran &#034;O Mankind,... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165023#165023 Author: abuayisha
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 8:10am

From the Quran

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).

]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:10:44 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165023#165023 God of Abraham and his children : Muslims are allowed to take... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165015#165015 Author: Nausheen
Subject: 23397
Posted: 30 June 2012 at 7:23am

Muslims are allowed to take a wife who is jewish.
 
Not sure if any of our board members have a jewish wife, but there was one brother some time back.
 
Will that count in your estimation :p ?
]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:23:47 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=165015#165015 God of Abraham and his children : I would like to hear from one... http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=164967#164967 Author: Caringheart
Subject: 23397
Posted: 27 June 2012 at 9:47pm

I would like to hear from one Muslim that can view a Jew as a brother...

and if not then tell me why not...
if both serve the God of Abraham...
]]> Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:47:59 +0000 http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23397&PID=164967#164967